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Boys Varsity game.. 4th quarter and maybe 3-4 minutes remaining. Visiting team is winning by 30.
Visiting player drives to the basket and the lead calls a foul and counts the bucket. I'm the trail and didn't have a foul call as I had incidental contact. I'm not concerned on the foul call and whether or not it was a foul but the lead counts the bucket. The contact that I saw was certainly before the shot. He had already signaled and counted the bucket. After the game I asked him about the call and he said he believed the player had started his shooting motion and started to go up. I still disagree and disagree strongly. The home coach also disagreed and had a few words to say to let the other official know this wasn't the NBA but he was down 30 and that point so he didn't put up that much of a fight. Any thoughts on how best to handle? Appreciate any feedback. 
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I think you handled it just fine. You asked your partner what he saw, he was sure about it, so let it go.
Even if he did miss the call, so what? We all miss calls. Sent from my SM-G925V using Tapatalk
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You asked him about it and had a conversation. End of story. Best case scenario, it got him thinking that maybe he was wrong and he will do better next time.
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Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:46am
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No concerns about the contact and whether or not it was a foul. Only reason I mentioned it was I didn't have a whistle on the play. Had I called a foul of my own, I probably would have came in talked it over with him and went with a ruling of a foul on prior to a shot attempt but since I didn't even have a whistle, I didn't feel like I could go in and overrule a call of my partners, even if I disagreed.
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Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:51am
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Why are you disagreeing strongly with your partner about a judgment call he made? Give your opinion constructively and move on. I wasn't there so I don't know what the contact was, but the most I would say is "do you think you could have passed on that contact considering the game situation?"
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All I'll say is this:
Too many officials put fouls "on the floor" when they should be calling fouls in the act of shooting. What coaches think about these situations means little to me. Whether he should've passed on the foul is another question altogether. The score shouldn't dictate that, though. What's incidental in a tie game should be incidental in a 30 point game when it comes to protecting the shooter.
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Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:47am
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BNR beat me to it.
My main questions to ask my partner - or myself - would be: *Did the call fit the game? *Was the call needed? The reason the home coach disagreed is he was catching a butt-whipping and you - meaning the crew not just your partner - gave the other team a +1 that he felt was iffy with under four minutes left in the game. If it was contact Stevie Wonder could see from the last row, go for it. If not, let the game die a natural death and the losing HC won't have anything to say.
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Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:48am
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Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:20pm
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Wed Jan 20, 2016, 05:05pm
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More seriously, my sense has always been that the NBA applied "continuation" more generously than NCAA and especially than HS in games that I have watched. But I'm not sure how much of that is an actual difference and how much is perception and levels of athleticism. In HS, from the comfort of the stands, I share the view that someone expressed previously that far more errors are in not considering the act of shooting to have begun than vice versa.
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Wed Jan 20, 2016, 05:17pm
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The NBA is entertainment. Offense is entertainment. The one NBA camp I attended the clinicians made it clear that once a player starts to gather it is assumed they are going to attempt to score unless completely evident otherwise. They would rather ERR on the side of shooting than not. Their threshold is COMPLETELY different from HS and NCAA.
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I do not feel like poring through the NBA Rules Book this morning (too many things to do around the house) but if my memory serves me correct (and I am getting senile as I get old), while the wording is different from the language in the NFHS and NCAA Rules Books, the application is the same in all three rules codes. I am sure that someone more versed in the NBA Rules will come along and enlighten us. MTD, Sr.
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