The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:54am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Indiana
Posts: 163
Can't confirm this but I read (from some online comments from someone who was there) that 2 Ts and 51 PFs were whistled....so it would appear they were calling something.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 20, 2016, 10:31am
AremRed
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
This article in the IndyStar mentions three technicals and two double fouls.
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 20, 2016, 12:39pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: NB/PEI, Canada
Posts: 788
Lots and lots of conjecture here.

So they suspended boys teams last year and it got overturned in court. It would seem reasonable/plausible this year that when the girls teams show up wanting the same thing from the court that (UNLESS the governing body was overturned last year for a technical reason that they've changed) the ladies would get theirs overturned as well.

If it gets to a point where this reaction has been overturned multiple times at what point does the governing body stop trying to shut down seasons as a consequence. Or do they stick to their guns and keep requiring people to take them to court.
__________________
Coach: Hey ref I'll make sure you can get out of here right after the game!

Me: Thanks, but why the big rush.

Coach: Oh I thought you must have a big date . . .we're not the only ones your planning on F$%&ing tonite are we!
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:50pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 780
If we're going to get legal and technical about it. The suspension last year wasn't overturned by a court. A temporary injunction was placed that said they had to let the teams play while the issue was resolved in the courts. The appeal won't be heard until next month.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 20, 2016, 01:51pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 734
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantherdreams View Post
So they suspended boys teams last year and it got overturned in court. It would seem reasonable/plausible this year that when the girls teams show up wanting the same thing from the court that (UNLESS the governing body was overturned last year for a technical reason that they've changed) the ladies would get theirs overturned as well.

If it gets to a point where this reaction has been overturned multiple times at what point does the governing body stop trying to shut down seasons as a consequence. Or do they stick to their guns and keep requiring people to take them to court.
Without knowing the *actual* legal reason given by the court, it is impossible to speculate on what will happen in another situation and whether the two are going to have the same result. Nor do we know if there were changes to the governing rules that occurred as a result of the court rejecting the cancellation of the season. Moreover, decisions of a trial court are not binding on another trial court any more than what "last week's" referee called is binding on today's referee, so there is also know certainty that a different trial judge is going to have the same opinion even on similar facts.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:02pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 734
Quote:
Originally Posted by Altor View Post
If we're going to get legal and technical about it. The suspension last year wasn't overturned by a court. A temporary injunction was placed that said they had to let the teams play while the issue was resolved in the courts. The appeal won't be heard until next month.
One of the elements courts entertain in deciding whether to issue an injunction is likelihood of success on the merits. So the judge issuing the injunction would have to have determined, in exercising his discretion, that there was some level of likelihood the players would win their claims. Judges also consider the concept of irrevocable harm -- that the players losing their chance to play, which could never be restored if they prevailed in their claims later, would certainly meet that standard. Without an explicit ruling from the judge (I didn't see it in a quick look, but it may or may not be available), it is impossible to know exactly how the judge weighed these and other factors in granting the injunction that let the teams continue to play. (Hmm, I'll be this is discussed in a thread from last year, too, but I('m too lazy to look for it.)
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:22pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 574
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam View Post
Hyperbole much? Good grief.
You're right. My mistake. It's pretty clear that there is a LOT of responsibility to be parceled out to various parties in this incident - players, coaches, parents, administrators - but the one group we should NOT question or suspect was part of the problem are the game officials.

It is obvious that they did a fine job in applying the rules of the game in a fair manner to achieve a successful conclusion. #jobwelldone
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:57pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 537
Quote:
Originally Posted by twocentsworth View Post
You're right. My mistake. It's pretty clear that there is a LOT of responsibility to be parceled out to various parties in this incident - players, coaches, parents, administrators - but the one group we should NOT question or suspect was part of the problem are the game officials.

It is obvious that they did a fine job in applying the rules of the game in a fair manner to achieve a successful conclusion. #jobwelldone
So...are you just being a snarky jackass or do you actually believe this crap?
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 20, 2016, 03:32pm
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 14,839
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrounge View Post
So...are you just being a snarky jackass or do you actually believe this crap?
You obviously have not paid attention to some of his past posts.
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old Wed Jan 20, 2016, 07:35pm
Adam's Avatar
Keeper of the HAMMER
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: MST
Posts: 27,190
Quote:
Originally Posted by twocentsworth View Post
You're right. My mistake. It's pretty clear that there is a LOT of responsibility to be parceled out to various parties in this incident - players, coaches, parents, administrators - but the one group we should NOT question or suspect was part of the problem are the game officials.

It is obvious that they did a fine job in applying the rules of the game in a fair manner to achieve a successful conclusion. #jobwelldone
Hell, I hadn't even read the article. Your statement that "99% of problems occur in a basketball game from the officials NOT blowing the whistle enough" is pure hyperbole, even if it was true in this game.

Of course, BNR asks a good question:

Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef View Post
Who said the officials weren't blowing their whistles?
And Altor provides a great answer:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Altor View Post
Why did you ignore the rest of the quote?

"It was a physical game, a lot of fouls were called," Cox said. "I think our contest officials did everything in their power to keep that game under control. The coaches did as well."
I don't see anything there that can reasonably give you, or anyone, the impression that the officials were not calling enough fouls.

Of course, if you walk in with a preconceive bias against the game officials, you could certainly get that impression if you ignore 75% of the quote you cling to.

If your first instinct is to blame the officials in spite of the evidence, you're going to get some negative responses from a group of officials.
__________________
Sprinkles are for winners.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Tennessee girls teams banned from post season for tanking Bad Zebra Basketball 14 Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:42am
And so ends my season... wadeintothem Softball 6 Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:07pm
Season ends... Rich Basketball 6 Fri Mar 07, 2008 02:00pm
District ends 0-4 team's season SouthGARef Football 9 Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:51pm
Boys tryout for girls teams. oc Basketball 16 Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:40pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:41am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1