The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Football
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 28, 2006, 10:44am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 248
District ends 0-4 team's season

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/news/story?id=2605816

While I could understand the coaches decision, how about letting the players transfer to another school if they wish to finish the year on a team? The problem with that is that they'd probably suffer some ridicule from their new teammates and it'd be hard for a coach to put a player on the field that's missed the first four games of your season (and all of camp).

Tough situation. Really hate it for the kids.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 28, 2006, 11:17am
Esteemed Participant
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 4,775
Wow...I coach at a small private school in Washington State. We have finished 0-9, 1-9, 1-9, and 1-10 the last 4 seasons. We have never had more than 22 players turn out. We currently have 17 healthy players on our roster for our game Friday night - started with 20, suffered one bad ankle sprain (out for two more weeks), one broken arm (season), and one mild concussion (out 1 week). In our league are three teams which are consistently ranked in the top 7 or 8 teams in the state. The last few years they have beaten us soundly - but each year the score differential was less. This season we are currently 1-3, but the scores of our losses have been 20-7, 33-14, and 18-13. The 33-7 score was against the 5th ranked team...third game of the season and we were the first team to score on them. They kept their starters in the entire time because we were moving the ball, just kept fumbling. We had over 300 yards rushing...

All that to say, not one single time during that very, very long first and second seasons did we EVER even consider ending the season or dropping the program. Those kids busted their butts every week...why would a coach quit on the kids? I don't get it.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 28, 2006, 11:42am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 415
I had a "classic" battle Friday night. A 0-27 team vs an 0-46 team. I was kind of expecting a 0-0 tie but the 0-27 team romped to a 38-0 win. Neither one is a really small school, just both have had really bad runs.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 28, 2006, 12:36pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 2,672
Wow......

A few quotes from the article, with my additions....

"...Seniors, I feel for you. There's nothing I can say other than I'm sorry...you're not quitters" but we (the board) are

"...Tobin said the team was not physically competitive, had too few players and faced a tough schedule in the North East Michigan Conference..." When the going gets tough, the tough get going...right out the door
__________________
It's what you learn after you think you know it all that's important!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 28, 2006, 02:05pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,193
This is pure chicken$h!).

I can't believe the bad example this sets for the kids. I hear from coaches all the time about trying to keep the kids from quitting for whatever reason (too tough; not playing enough; losing; etc.), and for the school to cave when they should be out in the halls recruiting other players is the most distasteful thing I've come across in a long time.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 28, 2006, 05:09pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,226
this is the biggest travesty i've ever heard of in high school sports
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Sun Oct 01, 2006, 10:35am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: N.D.
Posts: 1,829
Angry Too few players

We have a school in our area that dropped FB this year because they only had 10 players come out. This caused our association to lose 4 games.

The school has put together some JH games so they may be able to have a varsity schedule in the future. Above all else, it's too bad for the kids.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Sun Oct 01, 2006, 12:21pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,305
And an oppoiste reaction from a school in very similar situation..

Quantico HS at the Quantico Marine Base here in VA has some serious problems as you will see in this article. But they took a 180 degree different response from the school that this thread started with.

From Fredericksburg.com:

The Warriors play on despite high student turnover

Small team BIG HEART
September 13, 2006 12:51 am

Story by Todd Jacobson

TAPED TO THE WALLS inside the cramped training room at Quantico High School are faded testaments to seasons past: team pictures.

But not just any team pictures.

Like a team on a weight-loss program, there are before and after shots--first, kids in clean uniforms brimming with confidence in the summer sun. Then, next to the same bunch, a group of players crowds together like in a family portrait, a few months later and a few players lighter.

The photos are wrinkled and weathered but there for every one of Quantico's players to see, labeled simply "the starters" and "the finishers."

"We 'X' them out as they quit," said Quantico assistant coach Paul Roy, a retired Marine who directs the Warriors' defense.

Roy points to the before pictures, where, sure enough, there are faces carefully turned to shadows with a black marker, a handful on each team.

Roy, at Quantico for seven years, has weathered the highs and lows of the program.

He's watched the team win, like it did last year, when it went 8-1 and qualified for the Virginia Independent Schools Athletic Association Division III playoffs.

And he's seen the team lose, like it seems destined to do this season.

Players transfer in and out of the Department of Defense's tiny high school as their Marine Corps parents bounce from base to base. This year, the outs have out-numbered the ins, and an exceptionally inexperienced group has dropped its first two games. Combined score: 83-6.

This is life with one of Virginia's smallest football teams, a program always in flux.

Winning isn't always expected, but quitting can't be stomached.

"There is some introspection that goes on, some self evaluation, whether or not this is what I really want to do," Roy said. "They're thinking, 'Do I want to subject my body to the pain and agony of preseason and every day coming out here and just physically getting beaten up.' It takes a special individual."

A roster full of rookies
In the past, seasons at Quantico began with a field trip to Little Creek in the Tidewater area. At the Naval Amphibious Base, the players bonded. They slept together in an open squad bay, were up together at 5:30 a.m., ate together and practiced together.

Chris Watts took over for Ken Woodie as Quantico coach in June, too late to plan the trip, and this year, practice begins at dawn on July 31.

With Marines jogging and the rest of the world in bed, 16 players--15 boys and one girl--trudge down a flight of steps and into their first practice.

Among the group, there is but one true returning starter--senior lineman and linebacker Chaz Roberts, one the team's two captains--and he missed most of last year with a knee injury.

Many players have graduated from last year's playoff team. Others have moved away.

"We are not big, but it's pride and heart and that's the biggest thing," Roberts said. "You work on heart and courage under what our fathers do."

In the days leading up to Quantico's first practice, Watts, a Stafford graduate and a former Indians' assistant, isn't sure how many players will show up on the first day of practice.

Toughness isn't the problem. Numbers are.

That first day, the Warriors can't scrimmage because they don't have enough players.

The base population is down because of a housing construction project. (As of Monday, the school's enrollment stood at 105--with fewer than 50 percent boys.)

It's hard to field a football team for sure, but then it's hard to field any team at the school, Roy said.

Watts and Roy roam the halls of the school with their heads on a constant swivel, trying to fill out the roster, recruiting eighth-graders (this year's team has six of them).

One upside to the size of the student body is that kids who might not normally play on the prep level get a shot to suit up.

"It's a quality of life issue," Roy said. "The wins and losses don't matter. If you happen to win, great, but they want a place where the sons and daughters of the Marines on the base can compete in athletics."

As Watts begins the first practice, he coaches with his sparse numbers in mind and an eye to the team's first game, which looms less than a month away. In the unbalanced offense he's installing, he teaches his running backs to play three different positions.

Linemen are taught every spot --center, guard and tackle--in case they have to switch. Freshman Chris McNair will play four different positions on offense before the first game, and though he seems best suited to play tight end, he can't settle in there. One injury and he might have to move.

"That's Quantico," says McNair, who played sparingly as an eighth-grader a year ago. "Sometimes it's tough. If you are learning new plays and get moved around that's kind of tough."

The issue of quarterback is solved with a question. "Who here thinks they can play quarterback?" Watts yells.

Freshman Brenton Roberts steps forward. "OK, you're hired," Watts says, "for now."

Brenton Roberts was a backup a year ago, and of the 16 players scattered on the field, he can throw the best spiral.

"You have to teach the entire team how to play one position," Watts says. "Even if you don't lose those kids, it's inevitable somebody is going to have to move somewhere at some point in time and somebody will need to step in. You try to keep it simple, give them rules and not try to overcomplicate it."

But even as he teaches on the first day, competing with dragonflies and mosquitoes for room on the field, the pickings are slim. He's got 16 players, and he's hoping for at least a dozen more.

Transfer roulette
Roy likes to call the first few weeks of practice Christmas in July, because at Quantico, they're never sure what presents will arrive courtesy of the Marine Corps.

Last year, Martin Noziglia arrived from Argentina and was a star on defense. Jarrett Turner transferred from Brooke Point and was the team's leading receiver.

In all, the Warriors have just six returning players from last year's team, and in Chaz Roberts, the rare four-year player at Quantico. Most don't stay long enough.

Otherwise, players have come from all over.

By the Warriors' opening game Aug. 26 against the Maryland Christian Saints, Quantico has added five players.

Three days before the game, senior Mike Brokaw showed up at practice from the suburbs of Cleveland, where his dad was in charge of a Marine Corps Reserve unit.

He played as a freshman at Midpark High School in Middleburg, Ohio. He was immediately a two-way starter for the Warriors.

The day he walked into Quantico, his guidance counselor suggested football.

"She said, 'You look pretty big compared to those boys,'" Brokaw recalls.

Freshman Chris Cotis arrived with his family from the Marine Corps base in Twentynine Palms, Calif. Eighth-grader Dan Choike moved here from Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri, and eighth-grader Damian Coker came from Jacksonville, N.C.

Junior Sean Dallachie was in Okinawa, Japan, last season.

None has played high school football before.

"In all sports we never know what's going to come out," Roy said. "We're always looking up at the hill, and you see cars coming and you're just hoping."

Game time
For five weeks, the Warriors practice, and it's an hour before the team's first game. The players are sequestered in Quantico's gymnasium waiting for a final pre-game tuneup to begin when the Maryland Christian Saints arrive.

A group of players crowd around a door and look through the slits of a window to catch a glimpse of their first opponents. For many, this will be their first high school game, and the rumor is that the Saints, a team composed of home-schooled students based in Bel Air, Md., are "big and fast."

"What if they're all small and little?" a voice calls out from the crowd.

No such luck.

The Saints are bigger and faster and better organized than the inexperienced Warriors. Quantico fumbles four times, has two punts blocked, and by halftime, the score is 27-0.

"We're making mistakes because we're a young and inexperienced football team," Watts says as he addresses his players, all 21 of them kneeling at halftime in front of a scoreboard that makes it near impossible to forget the score. "But we're going to get better."

"Don't look at the score," he says. "Don't put your head down."

But it's hard not to.

The Saints finish off the Warriors, 34-0, and two weeks later, with the roster ballooning to 24 players, Quantico loses to the Fuqua School, 49-6.

Junior Jerald Bailey scores the Warriors' only touchdown of the game on a 55-yard run in the first quarter.

"It's going to be up and down," Watts said. "We are going to have opportunities, but you know, we are going to have teams that are a lot bigger than we are, more experienced than we are, and that's how it is. We'll be up and down. We'll have our moments, but we can't get frustrated."

But for Roberts, it is a little frustrating.

Twice, he's been on playoff teams, including last year, when the Warriors lost to Blessed Sacrament Huguenot in a Virginia Independent Schools Association Division III semifinal.

The year hasn't gone well, but only one player has quit. Roberts hasn't even considered the concept.

"I want all the young kids to experience that," he says. "Being at that level and then coming back to this, it's tough, but it's still enjoyable just to play."
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Sun Oct 01, 2006, 08:55pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 321
I had a team Friday night that hadn't won a game in four years (and had to cancel its season last year due to a lack of players). This year, several coaches from a neighboring school (including a heralded ex-head coach who had retired) took over the program. They won something like 39 to 7. That school never gave up and their kids will be better for it.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Mon Oct 02, 2006, 12:51pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 68
If that's football in Michigan then I thank God I'm from Ohio. Go Buckeyes!

Ok...couldn't pass up the jab there. This story is unbelieveable. Even if the kids aren't that great...they are playing a game they love and learning alot of valuable lessons. Like not quitting! Maybe the coach should be fired, not the kids.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New Ohio District 1 ASA Commish OhioASADistrict1Commish Softball 2 Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:30am
Ball in play, but team's 6th man still on court. GregAlan Basketball 9 Mon Jan 30, 2006 09:27am
District Assignments RookieDude Basketball 11 Thu Feb 03, 2005 09:06pm
Team's Own Scorer ref18 Basketball 6 Sat Mar 06, 2004 08:49pm
3-point in opposing team's goal lawref Basketball 6 Fri Nov 07, 2003 09:24pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:48am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1