Over and back (backcourt) on back tap

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

Team A missed shot
Team A back taps the ball it bounces around the 3p line heading towards division line.
Team A player attempts to grab ball near division line (hands of stone) never controls it and ball goes into backcourt.
Team A then recovers ball in backcourt.

Violation or not?

When asked at halftime I said no because they never established team control after the try. Veteran Official who works state level games called the violation.

I agree with you.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I agree with you.

On top of agreeing with him you are both correct.

Had a similar play last night. I was Slot opposite, ball got stolen and subsequently touched by the same team in their front court and back court but without control established. Trail blew a violation but looked kinda unsure. I saw the play and came over and offered information that I didn't think there was control in the FC to start. We fixed it but the coach who would have benefited was pissed, railed on me how we should have gone to the arrow since we "disagreed".

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Had a similar play last night. I was Slot opposite, ball got stolen and subsequently touched by the same team in their front court and back court but without control established. Trail blew a violation but looked kinda unsure. I saw the play and came over and offered information that I didn't think there was control in the FC to start. We fixed it but the coach who would have benefited was pissed, railed on me how we should have gone to the arrow since we "disagreed".

Was there control in the BC, or was it from a throw-in?

[SC Official]

Not a violation despite the fact that half the gym and one coach will go nuts.

Originally Posted by bainsey

Was there control in the BC, or was it from a throw-in?

No and no.

[Sharpshooternes]

So I had this very play happen to me this week. I was lead in two man and my P called a backcourt violation. I was sure he got it wrong. I just let it be, in this instance as none of the coaches knew that he kicked it. So out of curiosity, I asked the 3 man varsity crew after our game what a partner should do in ths situation. 1 said let them live and die with their call. 1 said if they ask for help offer it, if not, let it be. Cant remember what the third said, maybe go with the inadvertent whistle and give the ball back to the proper team.

So I pose the same question to all of you. How do you help in this situation. I think we have talked about in the past the difference between kicking a rule and making a bad call on bad judgement. I think I should have approached my P with that information and let them change their call if they wanted to. Ready, go.

[pfan1981]

The way I was taught......would you have granted a timeout to the team? If the answer is no, then you would not have a backcourt violation.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

The way I was taught......would you have granted a timeout to the team? If the answer is no, then you would not have a backcourt violation.

This thinking isn't going to work in all scenarios.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dad

This thinking isn't going to work in all scenarios.

No, but it's a great way to consider whether player control had ever been established.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Adam

No, but it's a great way to consider whether player control had ever been established.

Sure, but it's wrong and if someone follows it they won't call some BC violations.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Dad

Sure, but it's wrong and if someone follows it they won't call some BC violations.

Explain?

[#olderthanilook]

Rules references:

Rule: 4-12-3
ART. 3
Team control continues until:
a. The ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal.
b. An opponent secures control.
c. The ball becomes dead.
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Rules reference:
Rule: 9-9-1
ART. 1
A player shall not be the first to touch the ball after it has been in team control in the frontcourt, if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Rules references:

Rule: 4-12-3
ART. 3
Team control continues until:
a. The ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal.
b. An opponent secures control.
c. The ball becomes dead.
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Rules reference:
Rule: 9-9-1
ART. 1
A player shall not be the first to touch the ball after it has been in team control in the frontcourt, if he/she or a teammate last touched or was touched by the ball in the frontcourt before it went to the backcourt.

So a missed dunk that clangs off the rim remains as team control? Similar play as above in the Iowa State-Texas game on January 12 where a missed dunk saw ball go into back court without any player securing possession. The team that missed the dunk was first to touch in backcourt and a violation was called.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

So a missed dunk that clangs off the rim remains as team control? Similar play as above in the Iowa State-Texas game on January 12 where a missed dunk saw ball go into back court without any player securing possession. The team that missed the dunk was first to touch in backcourt and a violation was called.

No.

Either you described it wrong, the officials judged it not a dunk "try", or they kicked it.