"Let the Lead Have 1st Crack"

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

Your play happened outside the paint and the C had a clear view of the defender's positioning, he should have had that whistle.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Your play happened outside the paint and the C had a clear view of the defender's positioning, he should have had that whistle.

I agree its the Cs call as the entire play happens in his primary, its a "secondary" play and not really transition, and he should have picked up that defender. That's what he needed to anticipate to have to referree as the offensive player is headed toward the basket.

I agree with Arem's second opinion that its a block. But do think the play needed a whistle and the reasoning he gave for the call were valid. I would not like working with a partner who thinks the L should get "all" transition plays as was apparently said here. Whats the point of 3-man if you don't have a strong C for plays like this?

And I'd ignore any issue with the route you took to report. As you said maybe you could have been stronger with the prelim but I would have gone the same route, especially since the C should be replacing you as the L and you will be the new T tableside.

[biggravy]

I also thank you for posting this. It helps us all get better. A strong C will have this play. From L you did what you needed to do by having a patient whistle. Are you guessing? A little. But you articulated why you had what you had and I like the thought process. I know there are strong opinions both ways, but I like having a whistle on all crashes. It was close to a 50/50 and a case could be made for a block or shipping this. Bottom line, if C stays with the drive and steps down to get an angle he can be in the best position to make this call. Some people seem to have this thought that as C they can't go below the FTLE. I'm stepping down to get an angle.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by biggravy

I also thank you for posting this. It helps us all get better. A strong C will have this play. From L you did what you needed to do by having a patient whistle. Are you guessing? A little. But you articulated why you had what you had and I like the thought process. I know there are strong opinions both ways, but I like having a whistle on all crashes. It was close to a 50/50 and a case could be made for a block or shipping this. Bottom line, if C stays with the drive and steps down to get an angle he can be in the best position to make this call. Some people seem to have this thought that as C they can't go below the FTLE. I'm stepping down to get an angle.

Did you mean to say stepping down? I'm going the other way and getting a great angle.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dad

Did you mean to say stepping down? I'm going the other way and getting a great angle.

Going the other way will cause you to be straight-lined.

Upon further thought I think it's a block if C calls it, but should be a no-call from Lead. Tough play on the weak side block (where we miss the most calls) and since the ball goes in a play-on if preferable to guessing and possibly calling a weak charge and wiping the shot.

My route to the table was simple in my mind: swing by the offensive player to grab the number, go around the players instead of through, and head to new Lead (long switch). Had the benefit of taking me by the bench where the coach was questioning the call.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Upon further thought I think it's a block if C calls it, but should be a no-call from Lead. Tough play on the weak side block (where we miss the most calls) and since the ball goes in a play-on if preferable to guessing and possibly calling a weak charge and wiping the shot.

My route to the table was simple in my mind: swing by the offensive player to grab the number, go around the players instead of through, and head to new Lead (long switch). Had the benefit of taking me by the bench where the coach was questioning the call.

What did the defense do wrong for the C to call a block?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Upon further thought I think it's a block if C calls it, but should be a no-call from Lead. Tough play on the weak side block (where we miss the most calls) and since the ball goes in a play-on if preferable to guessing and possibly calling a weak charge and wiping the shot.

My route to the table was simple in my mind: swing by the offensive player to grab the number, go around the players instead of through, and head to new Lead (long switch). Had the benefit of taking me by the bench where the coach was questioning the call.

I'm fine with you putting a whistle on this. The contact put the shooter on the ground and I'm not comfortable calling it incidental here.

As the L, I likely would've pinched the paint here -- likely about halfway into the lane to receive this play. Still not a great look, but not entirely straightlined, either.

That said, C's call.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Going the other way will cause you to be straight-lined.

Moving down is just going to give him the same or worse view.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dad

Did you mean to say stepping down? I'm going the other way and getting a great angle.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Going the other way will cause you to be straight-lined.

Originally Posted by Dad

Moving down is just going to give him the same or worse view.

Looking at it again, I think neither up nor down is going to help. Stepping directly on to the court 2 steps would get the best look.