"Let the Lead Have 1st Crack"

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

Simply not true. Top D1 clinicians give secondary defenders to the L. The old way was to give EVERYTHING to the L. Newer way is what you described. That's evolved to differentiate between primary and secondary defenders.

Agree.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich

Simply not true. Top D1 clinicians give secondary defenders to the L. The old way was to give EVERYTHING to the L. Newer way is what you described. That's evolved to differentiate between primary and secondary defenders.

If you are speaking to me, I was referring to high school ball.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

If you are speaking to me, I was referring to high school ball.

So was I. D1 people teach at high school camps.

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

What do you mean screwed you?

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

This is a perfect example, thanks for sharing. Primary defender with ball handler going to the basket.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

Agreed. Luckily you had a strong partner at lead to bail you out.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

To be honest, we have pretty much the same view as the C in this video and its pretty hard to tell how much contact if any happens on this play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I mostly like letting Lead have first crack but it kinda screwed me on a recent play I had: https://streamable.com/hck2. (Ignore the sound, the timing of the whistle is off)

In my opinion this should be Slot's play despite being semi-transition.

Your play happened outside the paint and the C had a clear view of the defender's positioning, he should have had that whistle.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Rich

So was I. D1 people teach at high school camps.

Unfortunately, not in my area.

Originally Posted by Dad

Did you ask him why he didn't have a whistle? Just curious what he thought of the play.

Originally Posted by OKREF

To be honest, we have pretty much the same view as the C in this video and its pretty hard to tell how much contact if any happens on this play.

Originally Posted by OKREF

If you are guessing then you probably shouldn't have a whistle.

Yeah Slot in that clip didn't blow cuz it was a transition play and said Lead should get all transition plays. He also thought it was a secondary defender play and Lead should get all secondary defender plays.

I think we can all agree that this play was something -- certainly not a no-call with both players on the floor. So I had a delayed cadence whistle from Lead and came out with a charge based on my view of the defender being legal initially and moving obliquely to maintain that legal position. I think it's a block however and also think I should have come out much stronger.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Is this a case where officials are disagreeing with the way NFHS states how this should be handled or has it just become the popular way of handling this over time (institutional/tribal), etc.?

Thoughts?

The NF mechanics are only a guide. Many states do not even use this book at all. There are philosophies and practices that are used all over the place that are not written or discussed across the board. This might be one of them and often taught at camps or discussed between officials. This is not the first time and certainly will not be the last. This is especially the truth when it comes to who makes a call and where.

Peace