"Let the Lead Have 1st Crack"

Originally Posted by Dad

Did you ask him why he didn't have a whistle? Just curious what he thought of the play.

Originally Posted by OKREF

To be honest, we have pretty much the same view as the C in this video and its pretty hard to tell how much contact if any happens on this play.

Originally Posted by OKREF

If you are guessing then you probably shouldn't have a whistle.

Yeah Slot in that clip didn't blow cuz it was a transition play and said Lead should get all transition plays. He also thought it was a secondary defender play and Lead should get all secondary defender plays.

I think we can all agree that this play was something -- certainly not a no-call with both players on the floor. So I had a delayed cadence whistle from Lead and came out with a charge based on my view of the defender being legal initially and moving obliquely to maintain that legal position. I think it's a block however and also think I should have come out much stronger.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yeah Slot in that clip didn't blow cuz it was a transition play and said Lead should get all transition plays. He also thought it was a secondary defender play and Lead should get all secondary defender plays.

I think we can all agree that this play was something -- certainly not a no-call with both players on the floor. So I had a delayed cadence whistle from Lead and came out with a charge based on my view of the defender being legal initially and moving obliquely to maintain that legal position. I think it's a block however and also think I should have come out much stronger.

I would've made the same call you did from either angle if I had to blow my whistle. Don't agree with your partner and I was a bit let down he never even made an attempt to get a better angle.

I think no-call is an option here. Angle isn't very good and after watching it once the offense could've made contact and the defender flopped. Some offensive players make it look like a car hit them on drives, so just because both players are on the ground doesn't mean I'm definitely blowing a whistle.

Anyway, good call with the information you did have. Hats off to you for posting your plays on here and letting us take a look at them.

[tnolan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yeah Slot in that clip didn't blow cuz it was a transition play and said Lead should get all transition plays. He also thought it was a secondary defender play and Lead should get all secondary defender plays.

I think we can all agree that this play was something -- certainly not a no-call with both players on the floor. So I had a delayed cadence whistle from Lead and came out with a charge based on my view of the defender being legal initially and moving obliquely to maintain that legal position. I think it's a block however and also think I should have come out much stronger.

awesome clip! good on you for sharing it!

my 2 cents...
at least you had something. and it's easy to go back and decide on block when you see it on tape vs. live action. something i've done many times..."man, that looked good live but now....i'm not so sure." your takeaway needs to be that you had a call when there was contact.

i'll agree with what Dad said as well. it's tough at Lead or Center to see if there was even contact or if the defender flopped....tough one. but at least you had the call.

i'd argue with your Center's logic on his no call. i wouldn't call that a fast break, but i also wouldn't call it a set play either. kinda right in between.
still, i like this to come from Center...
also, i know i'm splitting hairs here and that the defense appears to be setting up in zone (maybe) but if the dude that took the charge is the secondary defender, then who was the primary defender?

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Originally Posted by tnolan

awesome clip! good on you for sharing it!

my 2 cents...
at least you had something. and it's easy to go back and decide on block when you see it on tape vs. live action. something i've done many times..."man, that looked good live but now....i'm not so sure." your takeaway needs to be that you had a call when there was contact.

i'll agree with what Dad said as well. it's tough at Lead or Center to see if there was even contact or if the defender flopped....tough one. but at least you had the call.

i'd argue with your Center's logic on his no call. i wouldn't call that a fast break, but i also wouldn't call it a set play either. kinda right in between.
still, i like this to come from Center...
also, i know i'm splitting hairs here and that the defense appears to be setting up in zone (maybe) but if the dude that took the charge is the secondary defender, then who was the primary defender?

I'd call this "in transition," but definitely a call that C should make.


My question as well. Again, why I think that this is C's call.