New Wisconsin Rule

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

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I don't know where some of you soft wimps come from, but it seems like your kind is taking over the world. We can't say anything that even one person might interpret as demeaning. You pick on a kid for one second and you are a bully guilty of bullying. There are already plenty of leagues/sports for youth that don't keep score because Little Johnny or Little Sally might get beat and have their ego ruined for life.
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My youngest played in one of those leagues (Upward). He has Asperger's and is not mentally focused enough to participate in competitive sports.

I guess the existence of my son and that league offends an accomplished athlete and official such as yourself.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

My youngest played in one of those leagues (Upward). He has Asperger's and is not mentally focused enough to participate in competitive sports.

I guess the existence of my son and that league offends an accomplished athlete and official such as yourself.

Did I say that I was offended or that leagues that cater to individuals like your son shouldn't exist? Oh, I didn't? Glad we got that straightened out.

I was speaking in general about sports leagues, leagues that don't cater to individuals like your son, that don't keep score because they don't want winners and losers. Life has winners and losers and I believe in teaching that right away.

Upward is fine for you and your son and it has its place. I just don't agree with telling our children that everybody wins and that everybody is equal in a regular sports league.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

...I just don't agree with telling our children that everybody wins and that everybody is equal in a regular sports league.

And where in this thread, or the story from Wisconsin, did anybody suggest such a perspective? You made an asinine stereotype of leagues such as Upward, the participants, and their parents when those leagues have nothing to do with this story.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And where in this thread, or the story from Wisconsin, did anybody suggest such a perspective? You made an asinine stereotype of leagues such as Upward, the participants, and their parents when those leagues have nothing to do with this story.

Not once did I specifically mention Upward or anything like it. This discussion went from supposedly unsportsmanlike chants to the PC crowd to not keeping score, etc. etc. Lots of different things touched on in this discussion.

Somewhere along the line, the topic of not keeping score came up. I commented on it as I don't believe in that. Somebody else that has a son that participates in Upward got bent out of shape and put words in my mouth.

Lighten up!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

Not once did I specifically mention Upward or anything like it. This discussion went from supposedly unsportsmanlike chants to the PC crowd to not keeping score, etc. etc. Lots of different things touched on in this discussion.

Somewhere along the line, the topic of not keeping score came up. I commented on it as I don't believe in that. Somebody else that has a son that participates in Upward got bent out of shape and put words in my mouth.

Lighten up!

I quoted exactly what you posted. You're the one ranting and foaming at the mouth about the wussification of America or whatever.

You need to lighten up Francis. If you can't handle the responses to your juvenile proclamations then maybe you need to worry about the wussification happening in your mirror.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I quoted exactly what you posted. You're the one ranting and foaming at the mouth about the wussification of America or whatever.

You need to lighten up Francis. If you can't handle the responses to your juvenile proclamations then maybe you need to worry about the wussification happening in your mirror.

Like.

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I quoted exactly what you posted. You're the one ranting and foaming at the mouth about the wussification of America or whatever.

You need to lighten up Francis. If you can't handle the responses to your juvenile proclamations then maybe you need to worry about the wussification happening in your mirror.

I'm not the one that mentioned the Upward league. Somebody else did. That person took what I was saying and applied it to the Upward league. I was talking about sports and life in general. Not a specific league.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

I'm not the one that mentioned the Upward league. Somebody else did. That person took what I was saying and applied it to the Upward league. I was talking about sports and life in general. Not a specific league.

Really? Altor posted this:

Originally Posted by Altor

I have the same reaction to things like "sieve" or "A rope, a tree, ..." It's directed to a specific person and is intended to be demeaning (or even a threat). It has no place in high school sports.

"Start the bus up.", "Scoreboard", "C'mon stupid, hit the wall" - those don't bother me in nearly the same way. Although the last one does call a specific player stupid, so I may have to rethink that one.

Your response was this:

Originally Posted by SD Referee

So you have a problem with a group of kids calling a goalie a "sieve"? When you are letting a lot of goals get past you, you are indeed a "sieve".

I don't know where some of you soft wimps come from, but it seems like your kind is taking over the world. We can't say anything that even one person might interpret as demeaning. You pick on a kid for one second and you are a bully guilty of bullying. There are already plenty of leagues/sports for youth that don't keep score because Little Johnny or Little Sally might get beat and have their ego ruined for life.
People in this world need to relax, grow a thicker skin, and learn to ignore other people. I'm so tired of the "offended" crowd screaming to get their way.

That bolded part refers to leagues like Upward, which I (not somebody) brought up. I can see why you don't call T's on coaches since you do not have the integrity to acknowledge what said that is right here in black and white.

The Wisconsin issue has nothing to do with non-scholastic leagues that don't keep score or care who wins. You just felt the need to be a jerk and lump it all in together.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by SD Referee

Not once did I specifically mention Upward or anything like it. This discussion went from supposedly unsportsmanlike chants to the PC crowd to not keeping score, etc. etc. Lots of different things touched on in this discussion.

Somewhere along the line, the topic of not keeping score came up. I commented on it as I don't believe in that. Somebody else that has a son that participates in Upward got bent out of shape and put words in my mouth.

Lighten up!

Youre broad statement was definitely in the ballpark of Upward and leagues like it.

You got caught making a jackass post and now you're attempting, albeit horribly, to back-peddle. If you want people to stop being "wimpy" at the very least don't wimp out with comments like, "Lighten up!"

[SD Referee]

Originally Posted by Dad

Youre broad statement was definitely in the ballpark of Upward and leagues like it.

You got caught making a jackass post and now you're attempting, albeit horribly, to back-peddle. If you want people to stop being "wimpy" at the very least don't wimp out with comments like, "Lighten up!"

At the risk of getting off topic AGAIN, I didn't bring up Upward until a dad brought it up. Once it was brought up, I agreed that those leagues have their place. I said that REGULAR sports leagues are not keeping scores and having winners and losers. Reading comprehension!!!!!

I'm not back peddling as I didn't say anything wrong or degrade a particular league or player. Sorry to offend anybody as that was not my intention.

Now back to officiating discussion.