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Old Fri Jun 26, 2015, 09:43am
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Curious to hear what those of us in Wisconsin think about the switch to two halves and a longer game (on the varsity level only)
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Old Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:13am
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MN has been doing 18-minute halves since I started officiating basketball.

I personally like it; but if they wanted to go back to quarters I wouldn't really care.

I've heard objections basically raised on two fronts:
1) 4 extra minutes of game time with out a corresponding increase in officials pay. (meh, whatever). Easily solved by either raising officials pay (hahahaha) or going to 16-minute halves.
2) Coaches like having the "free" timeout between quarters. Could be remedied, if necessary, by either declaring an officials timeout following the first whistle after the halfway mark of the half, or by granting each team an extra timeout with the stipulation that at least one 'use it or lose it' timeout per team per half.
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Old Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:27pm
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MN has been doing 18-minute halves since I started officiating basketball.

I personally like it; but if they wanted to go back to quarters I wouldn't really care.

I've heard objections basically raised on two fronts:
1) 4 extra minutes of game time with out a corresponding increase in officials pay. (meh, whatever). Easily solved by either raising officials pay (hahahaha) or going to 16-minute halves.
2) Coaches like having the "free" timeout between quarters. Could be remedied, if necessary, by either declaring an officials timeout following the first whistle after the halfway mark of the half, or by granting each team an extra timeout with the stipulation that at least one 'use it or lose it' timeout per team per half.
Would you really want two extra time-outs per game and a game that's 4 minutes longer? Because you know every coach would make sure to use the "use it or lose it" TO, even if they're down 50.
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Old Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:51pm
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Yet another state that will do something their own way at the expense of giving up any potential seat on the NFHS rules committee. Small price to pay if you feel like what you're doing is right for your state.

The timing of this decision, however, is curious. Considering the NCAA women's rules committee just decided to revert to playing the game in quarters. It is interesting that there is nothing even close to consensus on this issue among the various levels of play.
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Old Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:00pm
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Yet another state that will do something their own way at the expense of giving up any potential seat on the NFHS rules committee. Small price to pay if you feel like what you're doing is right for your state.

The timing of this decision, however, is curious. Considering the NCAA women's rules committee just decided to revert to playing the game in quarters. It is interesting that there is nothing even close to consensus on this issue among the various levels of play.
I thought the same thing about NCAA-W when I read this.

I've heard the explanation for why the women went to quarters, what is the driving motivation for Wisconsin to switch to halves? To me this just seems like change for the sake of change, with no real purpose.
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Old Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:02pm
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I thought the same thing about NCAA-W when I read this.

I've heard the explanation for why the women went to quarters, what is the driving motivation for Wisconsin to switch to halves? To me this just seems like change for the sake of change, with no real purpose.
Okay, scratch my question. The purpose was to increase the game time to 18 minute halves.
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Old Fri Jun 26, 2015, 06:10pm
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To me this just seems like change for the sake of change, with no real purpose.
How about three fifteen-minute periods. To make extra money, the home team can sell advertising on the Zamboni.
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Would you really want two extra time-outs per game and a game that's 4 minutes longer? Because you know every coach would make sure to use the "use it or lose it" TO, even if they're down 50.
I'm not saying I'd want two extra timeouts per game, I'm saying that they could be added if the coaches think it's a huge concern.

As for the "game that's 4 minutes longer" thing... it's already 4 minutes longer in MN, so that doesn't really make a difference to me.
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Old Mon Jun 29, 2015, 09:55am
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I'm not saying I'd want two extra timeouts per game, I'm saying that they could be added if the coaches think it's a huge concern.

As for the "game that's 4 minutes longer" thing... it's already 4 minutes longer in MN, so that doesn't really make a difference to me.
What's the purpose of going to halves but turning around and giving the teams 2 more time-outs?

HS games are agonizing enough at 32 minutes, I definitely have no desire to add an extra 4 minutes to it.
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What's the purpose of going to halves but turning around and giving the teams 2 more time-outs?

HS games are agonizing enough at 32 minutes, I definitely have no desire to add an extra 4 minutes to it.
I'm an assigner for 22 schools for conference varsity games.

I've already had a couple of people ask if the fees will go up since the game length is increasing by 12.5%. I've answered truthfully -- it's unlikely in the short term.

I've seen Facebook threads where others have shut down those questions cause "the schools have no money" and the usual canard of "do it for the children."

All our officials for 2015-16 are contracted for a certain rate. Why should they work 4 extra minutes every night without being able to ask that question (and without being ridiculed for asking)?
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HS games are agonizing enough at 32 minutes, I definitely have no desire to add an extra 4 minutes to it.
Are you saying you want to take away playing time from those fourth string girls riding the end of the bench?? How dare you!
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2) Coaches like having the "free" timeout between quarters. Could be remedied, if necessary, by either declaring an officials timeout following the first whistle after the halfway mark of the half, or by granting each team an extra timeout with the stipulation that at least one 'use it or lose it' timeout per team per half.
Don't you have "TV timeouts"?
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