HS Intentional/Flagrant VIDEO

[deecee]

Received this video from our association of a recent play and the expected adjudication (which I had when I first watched the video).

Flagrant/Intentional on the initial foul
then Flagrant/Technical for the kick

Dang. On first watching I had INT on the first foul and regular tech on the second thing but after I've seen it a few times I say toss both of them.

[bballref3966]

I really wouldn't have any issue with either intentional or flagrant personal on the first foul.

Kick is definitely a flagrant T.

00's sub will shoot two first, then any white player shoots for the T. White ball at division line.

[deecee]

I do wish the calling official closed in on the initial contact.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by deecee

I do wish the calling official closed in on the initial contact.

Maybe, but I'm not sure that it would've made a difference... and if he had closed down, it would've been harder for him to see the kick.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by deecee

I do wish the calling official closed in on the initial contact.

Great point,

Certainly doesn't explain fouled player actions in any way. But if he gets in there quicker maybe kick never happens.

[HokiePaul]

So was the expected adjudication Flagrant or Intentional on the personal foul?

I think I would have discussed with partners and probably suggested that both be flagrant. But I would have either they both flagrant or give them both a second chance.

I was surprised at how calm things were after this so maybe this looked worse on video. If the officials felt that the game was still under control with no risk of further issues, I could see going intentional and technical and moving on.

[deecee]

The initial foul should have been a flagrant, and same for the kick. Both should have gotten the boot.

I believe what was done in the game was INT and T.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

Both gentlemen would have had the rest of the game to think about their actions as they were residing on the bench.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

Both gentlemen would have had the rest of the game to think about their actions as they were residing on the bench.

Really, how would they be on the bench for the remainder of the game? If you are going flagrant, then they are both going to be sitting in their respective locker rooms, not on the bench.

I am going flagrant on both fouls and I would have gone flagrant on the initial foul even if it wasn't followed by the kick.

I don't have offsetting, it is not a double foul. I am going to administer in order of occurrence.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Really, how would they be on the bench for the remainder of the game? If you are going flagrant, then they are both going to be sitting in their respective locker rooms, not on the bench.

In high school ball, you are only ejected to your bench, not the locker room, except in extenuating circumstances. And if a player needs to be removed to the locker room, you better make sure that a responsible adult or administrator accompanies them.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Really, how would they be on the bench for the remainder of the game? If you are going flagrant, then they are both going to be sitting in their respective locker rooms, not on the bench.

I am going flagrant on both fouls and I would have gone flagrant on the initial foul even if it wasn't followed by the kick.

I don't have offsetting, it is not a double foul. I am going to administer in order of occurrence.

Remember, players or youth members of a team are "disqualified" and sent to the bench; adult members or personnel of the team are ejected, and sent away from the team and visual confines of the playing area, and are not to have contact with the team during the rest of the contest. Only in instances in which the presence of the penalized, and disqualified youth member of the team would be severely disruptive to the continuation of the game, is that youth team member sent away from the confines of the playing area, and that must be done with adult supervision.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

Flagrant/Intentional on the initial foul

No such thing as a "Flagrant Intentional" foul.

It can be one or the other (or neither), but not both.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No such thing as a "Flagrant Intentional" foul.

It can be one or the other (or neither), but not both.

He didn't say flagrant intentional. Flagrant/Intention = pick one.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Dad

He didn't say flagrant intentional. Flagrant/Intention = pick one.

I don't think that's what he meant, based on his later posts.

But if it was then it's not a choice between "Flagrant" and "Technical" in the next part of his post.