Another suspension looming?

[Rich]

As a high school assigner, I wouldn't punish a crew at all. But this is different.

Originally Posted by Rich

As a high school assigner, I wouldn't punish a crew at all. But this is different.

You wouldn't punish a crew at all? Wouldn't that even include this situation?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

You wouldn't punish a crew at all? Wouldn't that even include this situation?

Nope. I'd educate, remediate, send clarifications to those I do assign. But I don't "punish" anyone who's getting $60 a game to work HS basketball for screwing up a rule or missing a call.

Subsequent assigning might depend on how well they accept the fact that they screwed up, however.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Anyone who assigns-is this about what you figured the punishment to be for this crew?

Originally Posted by Rich

As a high school assigner, I wouldn't punish a crew at all. But this is different.

At the HS level, I would have gone 3 games and no postseason.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

At the HS level, I would have gone 3 games and no postseason.

And then you just put this on a platter.

Peace

[Rich]

Of course you would.

I assign for 24 high schools for all varsity sports. While I believe in holding people accountable for bad behavior, for double booking and dumping games, for other malfeasance, I believe suspending officials for making an honest mistake sets a precedent I don't want to set.

Other assigners may feel differently, but I don't feel anyone is out to screw over a team, and I believe in keeping things in perspective.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Rich

Of course you would.

I assign for 24 high schools for all varsity sports. While I believe in holding people accountable for bad behavior, for double booking and dumping games, for other malfeasance, I believe suspending officials for making an honest mistake sets a precedent I don't want to set.

Other assigners may feel differently, but I don't feel anyone is out to screw over a team, and I believe in keeping things in perspective.

As JRut said, college is different. The 3 on this game weren't out to screw over the teams either but we're all warned/cautioned/whatever by our supervisors that messing up a call is one thing, kicking a rule is a totally different animal. Kicking a rule will lead to stiff consequences.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Rich

Of course you would.

I assign for 24 high schools for all varsity sports. While I believe in holding people accountable for bad behavior, for double booking and dumping games, for other malfeasance, I believe suspending officials for making an honest mistake sets a precedent I don't want to set.

Other assigners may feel differently, but I don't feel anyone is out to screw over a team, and I believe in keeping things in perspective.

With a varsity crew coming together and mucking up a game, I think there is probably at least some bad behavior in the form of not reading enough.

[rsl]

Not only was this a conference game, but with no "T" these two teams are tied for first (both are 7-2) and with the errant call one team has a two game lead (one team is 8-1, the other 6-3). This call has a huge impact for the conference standings.

I have too much time on my hands when I start looking up Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference standings...

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Rich

Of course you would.

I assign for 24 high schools for all varsity sports. While I believe in holding people accountable for bad behavior, for double booking and dumping games, for other malfeasance, I believe suspending officials for making an honest mistake sets a precedent I don't want to set.

Other assigners may feel differently, but I don't feel anyone is out to screw over a team, and I believe in keeping things in perspective.

How about some punishment for not knowing the rule? Make some room for those who have dedicated themselves to knowing the rules. this wouls also send the message that you can't just keep sliding by with general rules. Sure Freshman, JV etc, education is needed and maybe no punishment but at the Varsity level? I think it is warranted, just to send the message that if you want to work varsity, you have to know your stuff.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

How about some punishment for not knowing the rule? Make some room for those who have dedicated themselves to knowing the rules. this wouls also send the message that you can't just keep sliding by with general rules. Sure Freshman, JV etc, education is needed and maybe no punishment but at the Varsity level? I think it is warranted, just to send the message that if you want to work varsity, you have to know your stuff.

I haven't heard any complaining about crews missing rules in 2 years. That's not to say that a crew hasn't missed anything -- I just don't hear about every detail in every game.

90% of what I hear has to do with coach behavior and technical fouls either given or not given.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Rich

I haven't heard any complaining about crews missing rules in 2 years. That's not to say that a crew hasn't missed anything -- I just don't hear about every detail in every game.

90% of what I hear has to do with coach behavior and technical fouls either given or not given.

That's fine. I don't expect you to. But something as egregious and outcome changing as this, I would think would at least warrant 1 game suspension, no post season, education, and maybe have them speak in the next meeting about what happens when you don't know the rules. Judgement is one thing but kicking rules is another.

I would suspect if there was some kind of penalty for kicking a rule there would be a whole lot less of it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

That's fine. I don't expect you to. But something as egregious and outcome changing as this, I would think would at least warrant 1 game suspension, no post season, education, and maybe have them speak in the next meeting about what happens when you don't know the rules. Judgement is one thing but kicking rules is another.

I would suspect if there was some kind of penalty for kicking a rule there would be a whole lot less of it.

Maybe, but there's also the fact that college pays a lot more. When you're making that much, you're up for a higher level of scrutiny.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Rich

I haven't heard any complaining about crews missing rules in 2 years. That's not to say that a crew hasn't missed anything -- I just don't hear about every detail in every game.

90% of what I hear has to do with coach behavior and technical fouls either given or not given.

And the other real problem is that coaches don't know the rules either so they don't know when to complain.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

And the other real problem is that coaches don't know the rules either so they don't know when to complain.

This is usually the case. But not always.

Recently my crew dorked up a FT situation. I was L (U) and paying close attention to a problem child after I called a shooting foul on A1, so I missed that the shot went in. 2.8 seconds left second quarter. Partner (R) was lazy and didn't want to switch, and in the process he didn't tell me that the ball went in. So I announce two shots for B1, he's asleep by the table, and the players don't move after the first shot. FT missed. Then....buzzer. We figure it out and make sure the original FG by B1 is scored, and then we get together and I properly say that since no one moved and the FT was missed, we need to go to the arrow (which was in B's favor).

And this is where I sometimes loathe being the 36-year old U working with the 55-year old R. He says, "no, no, no, I'm not going to reward B with a possession with 2.8 seconds left when they're up by 15; it's A's ball, let's go."



But it gets better! Coach B, to his credit, knows the rule! And he wants his AP throw-in, and the R still doesn't give it to him even after he got called on it. It was....uncomfortable (to say the least).