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Old Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:11pm
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I figured instead of arguing with you I'd use the Google. Figured something would be released by now.
I was not arguing, just asking for further information. You did not provide it in the first place so it drew further questions from me at least. I had been asking these same questions in multiple settings. This year has been one that we have gotten multiple memos about rules or changing interpretations. I am careful to suggest something is done wrong when the powers that be have the final say in these cases.

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Old Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:28pm
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Anyone who assigns-is this about what you figured the punishment to be for this crew?
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Old Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:39pm
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As a high school assigner, I wouldn't punish a crew at all. But this is different.
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Old Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:07pm
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Anyone who assigns-is this about what you figured the punishment to be for this crew?
College is very different. College there is a little more accountability than high school level. You screw up a rule, more things happen to your schedule.

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As a high school assigner, I wouldn't punish a crew at all. But this is different.
You wouldn't punish a crew at all? Wouldn't that even include this situation?
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Old Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:22pm
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You wouldn't punish a crew at all? Wouldn't that even include this situation?
Nope. I'd educate, remediate, send clarifications to those I do assign. But I don't "punish" anyone who's getting $60 a game to work HS basketball for screwing up a rule or missing a call.

Subsequent assigning might depend on how well they accept the fact that they screwed up, however.
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Old Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:34pm
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Now we know.
Yep, we know that you were wrong.
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Old Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:36pm
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As a high school assigner, I wouldn't punish a crew at all. But this is different.
At the HS level, I would have gone 3 games and no postseason.
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Old Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:43pm
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Of course you would.

I assign for 24 high schools for all varsity sports. While I believe in holding people accountable for bad behavior, for double booking and dumping games, for other malfeasance, I believe suspending officials for making an honest mistake sets a precedent I don't want to set.

Other assigners may feel differently, but I don't feel anyone is out to screw over a team, and I believe in keeping things in perspective.
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Yep, we know that you were wrong.
What was I wrong about? I asked a question about the situation.

I work for a conference that wanted us to apply a rule differently than what was in rulebook because the conference determined that applying the actual rule would cause a problem.

And no one knew what took place in this case until I asked. That is the reason you ask questions.

But hey, you talk about many things on here you do not know the local or interpretations. Do you want me to point them out when they happen? You know all these uniform rules that the NF has, my state does not enforce them because of years of problems.

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At the HS level, I would have gone 3 games and no postseason.
And then you just put this on a platter.

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Old Mon Jan 11, 2016, 12:39am
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The clock expired. How can a throw-in be interfered with?
And...because the clock expired, everyone thought the game was over.



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I figured instead of arguing with you I'd use the Google. Figured something would be released by now.
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Of course you would.

I assign for 24 high schools for all varsity sports. While I believe in holding people accountable for bad behavior, for double booking and dumping games, for other malfeasance, I believe suspending officials for making an honest mistake sets a precedent I don't want to set.

Other assigners may feel differently, but I don't feel anyone is out to screw over a team, and I believe in keeping things in perspective.
As JRut said, college is different. The 3 on this game weren't out to screw over the teams either but we're all warned/cautioned/whatever by our supervisors that messing up a call is one thing, kicking a rule is a totally different animal. Kicking a rule will lead to stiff consequences.
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And I don't disagree with that. As you said, college is different.
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Another factor mentioned to me by an official not on the Forum is this was a conference game. That official said maybe they might not get dinged quite so hard in a non-conference game because it only affects RPI (again, he said "maybe"). Conference games may affect whether you even get to the NCAA tournament - especially in D2 and D3 - because every school may not make the conference tournament.
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