Suspension?

[Jurassic Referee]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2794553

From the sounds of it, the WAC Commissioner is just gonna let the Nevada coach skate. He'll "look into it" but he won't stop the guy from coaching in the NCAA's. Iow, no suspension.

Must be open season on officials in the WAC.

[grunewar]

And the police were involved too? Yikes!

[rockyroad]

Interesting...I don't understand why coaches are allowed to get away with this kind of crap...there is a West Coast Conference school whose men's team has done quite well the last few years, but whose women's team hasn't caught up to that level yet. The women's coach has pulled a few doozies lately. 1)He went nutso on a call, was T'ed by one of the officials, and after the game taped an autographed 8x10 picture of himself to the officials lockerroom door with a note attached saying "Something to remember me by, since you'll never work in this conference again." WCC commissioner did nothing...2)Was ejected from a game a few weeks ago, refused to leave, had to be escorted out by security, the entire time screaming and dropping profanities at the official who gave him the second T. Goes to locker room and calls Supervisor and proceeds to leave a profanity-laced message on her answering machine, which she plays for the commissioner - who, again, does nothing.

I really don't get it...

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Interesting...I don't understand why coaches are allowed to get away with this kind of crap...there is a West Coast Conference school whose men's team has done quite well the last few years, but whose women's team hasn't caught up to that level yet. The women's coach has pulled a few doozies lately. 1)He went nutso on a call, was T'ed by one of the officials, and after the game taped an autographed 8x10 picture of himself to the officials lockerroom door with a note attached saying "Something to remember me by, since you'll never work in this conference again." WCC commissioner did nothing...2)Was ejected from a game a few weeks ago, refused to leave, had to be escorted out by security, the entire time screaming and dropping profanities at the official who gave him the second T. Goes to locker room and calls Supervisor and proceeds to leave a profanity-laced message on her answering machine, which she plays for the commissioner - who, again, does nothing.

I really don't get it...

Well, I guess the message should have been played for the college president. *wakes up from time change induced nap*

[Nevadaref]

It certainly doesn't excuse Fox's behavior, but I believe that part of the problem stems from the fact that Nevada had Gracey in 3 of its last 4 games.

@ Utah State 79-77 OT loss
Not vs. New Mexico St. at home (win)
vs. Idaho @ WAC tourney (win)
vs. Utah State @ WAC tourney 79-77 loss in regulation

BTW Gracey also worked the WAC tourney championship, so if Nevada had made the final they would have had him again.

This is part of the problem with the conference tourneys. People see too much of each other.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It certainly doesn't excuse Fox's behavior, but I believe that part of the problem stems from the fact that Nevada had Gracey in 3 of its last 4 games.

A coach acts like that and you think that the official was part of the problem?

I gotta tell ya, Nevada, a statement like that is just plain sad coming from any official. Freaking sad!

[Nevadaref]

While Gracey had some crucial calls in some Nevada games this year, including that mess with Hawaii, I never said that he was part of the problem.

My point was...

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

People see too much of each other.

The WAC should have done a better job in rotating its officials.

JMO.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

A coach acts like that and you think that the official was part of the problem?

That's a very silly comment, coming from an assignor. The official is not part of the problem. The fact that the assignor put him in a position to butt heads with the same guy 4 times in 2 weeks is a problem.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

While Gracey had some crucial calls in some Nevada games this year, including that mess with Hawaii, I never said that he was part of the problem.

My point was...


The WAC should have done a better job in rotating its officials.

JMO.

Not sure they have a lot of choices. If I am not mistaken the WAC Championship is going on when the major conferences are playing. You are not going to get a lot of rotation if some of the best in the country are working other tournaments at the same time. Even then you want the best officials working games. This not HS basketball. Everyone is on a higher and more professional level. It is not uncommon to see the better conference officials often for one team in any conference.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

That's a very silly comment, coming from an assignor. The official is not part of the problem. The fact that the assignor put him in a position to butt heads with the same guy 4 times in 2 weeks is a problem.

You're right in thinking that the assignor shouldn't have given that many assignments to the same official in that short a time frame. However, that is NO excuse for a coach to act like that imo.

Sorry, Scrappy, but if that's your thinking also, then you're part of the problem too.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You're right in thinking that the assignor shouldn't have given that many assignments to the same official in that short a time frame. However, that is NO excuse for a coach to act like that imo.

Let's see I started my initial post with:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It certainly doesn't excuse Fox's behavior,...

and JR agrees with that, but still flips out.

Then I made the point that the problem is the assigning of an official to see the same team three times in nine days. The dates were March 1, 8, and 9 (and would have been 10 if Nevada had reached the final). JR agrees with that too. Yet he takes some shot at me for writing that.

Well look in the mirror, JR, because you just agreed with my two points. So I guess you are sad too.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Let's see I started my initial post with:..I believe that part of the problem lies with the fact that Nevada had Gracey in 3 of it's last 4 games"

Nevada, you intimated that Gracey was part of the problem. Gracey was not part of the problem. The head coach of Nevada, Fox, was the whole problem. No one else. There is absolutely NO excuse for his behavior imo.

Obviously, in your opinion, there is an excuse.

We disagree.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not sure they have a lot of choices. If I am not mistaken the WAC Championship is going on when the major conferences are playing. You are not going to get a lot of rotation if some of the best in the country are working other tournaments at the same time. Even then you want the best officials working games. This not HS basketball. Everyone is on a higher and more professional level. It is not uncommon to see the better conference officials often for one team in any conference.

Peace

Rut, that is absolutely correct. The WAC is still playing second fiddle to the big boys and can't attract the best of the best for its conference tourney when it is played on the same dates. However, I have to believe that a switch on the conference semifinal assignments could have been done with the officials working the other semifinal.

For the record of the three officials who worked the other semi, (Ruben Ramos, Bob Staffen, Rick Batsell) only Staffen had Nevada in the final week. He was with Gracey on the March 1 game at Utah State. So why not use either of the other two?

BTW the box score on the NV/Idaho game on ESPN is wrong for the officials. Yahoo has it right. It was Gracey, Dixon, Hernandez.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nevada, you intimated that Gracey was part of the problem. Gracey was not part of the problem. The head coach of Nevada, Fox, was the whole problem. No one else. There is absolutely NO excuse for his behavior imo.

Obviously, in your opinion, there is an excuse.

We disagree.

I did no such thing. YOU inferred that from my post. YOUR mistake.

Now just to be crystal clear, I'm saying that the problem is having the same two people have to deal with each other in pressure situations, multiple times, in a short period of time. Confrontations are bound to happen under those circumstances because people sometimes let their emotions get the better of them. That is wrong, and I'm sure that Fox will be punished for it. Of course, the WAC conference needs to understand what it could have done better.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

However, that is NO excuse for a coach to act like that imo.

Of course there's not. And no one has said that there is. Not sure where you're getting that from. The official is not at fault one iota in this situation. No one except you has even intimated that.

Having said that, every official and every assignor knows that it's simply not smart for an official to work the same team's games multiple times in a very short period of time. And this coach's reaction is exactly why it's not smart. That's all we're saying.