is this considered a Kick in basketball

[Peeps]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

No one intentionally moves the "nether regions" to get hit.

The rule used to be "knee down" -- it's been any part of the leg for more than just a few years now.

i thought this was the case

You intentionally moved your feet to "play defense on the ball" -- that's a violation.

again, had the ball in the been in the air when i did this i would agree. but changing your stance and having a player throw the ball off your legs doesnt sound like a kick to me.

in a similar situation....if a offensive player goes to save the ball out of bounds and throws it off a defenders leg and it goes out of bounds. is that a kicked ball or is it out of bounds offenses ball?

And, while there is some room for interpretation on this, no one here was there to see it. And, if you have no refs, you're going to get a "discussion" during the game.

believe me, i have thought about paying a ref $20 for a nights work to alleviate all the headaches we go through

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Peeps

believe me, i have thought about paying a ref $20 for a nights work to alleviate all the headaches we go through

For a Men's league? Good luck with that!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Peeps

.....if i had moved my knees together while the pass was in the air.

however i closed my legs before the ball left his hand

we know what you did, and when.

It likely doesn't matter.

Play: Ball rolls away from players. A1 sees he ball coming toward him and doesn't move his leg. The ball rolls and hits A1 in the leg and A1 reaches down and picks up the ball. Ruling: Kicking violation.

Play: A1 and B1 are on the floor fighting for a "loose ball." The ball rolls into A1's legs and A1 clamps the ball so B1 cant' pull it away. Ruling" Kicking violation.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

What should matter to you is what the rule says. If the defender does not intentionally strike the ball, it cannot be a kick.

I don't know what you mean by "attempting to defend using their legs." Do you mean by actively moving their legs? Or is it a certain leg position?

We have a specific definition for kicking. Let's use that.

I think I was pretty clear in how I interpret the rule, and it appears others do as well. We will have to agree to disagree.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Peeps

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believe me, i have thought about paying a ref $20 for a nights work to alleviate all the headaches we go through

It wouldn't help, players would argue about kicked ball violations.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

we know what you did, and when.

It likely doesn't matter.

Play: Ball rolls away from players. A1 sees he ball coming toward him and doesn't move his leg. The ball rolls and hits A1 in the leg and A1 reaches down and picks up the ball. Ruling: Kicking violation.

Play: A1 and B1 are on the floor fighting for a "loose ball." The ball rolls into A1's legs and A1 clamps the ball so B1 cant' pull it away. Ruling" Kicking violation.

Bob, I never feel good about disagreeing with you. However, you're wrong on the first play. You cannot have a kicking violation from inaction.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Bob, I never feel good about disagreeing with you. However, you're wrong on the first play. You cannot have a kicking violation from inaction.

Eastshire I agree with you. This isnt a violation. It is like we are deeming any time a ball hits the leg its a violation because you cant use your leg to defend a pass. What I mean is this. If a leg isnt moving it is not kicking. Even if I think he might pass I can move my legs into a defensive position. If I intend to move my leg to stop the ball its a kick. He wasnt moving his leg. If I think his feet were still moving into that position when the ball tries to go between his leg of course it is a kick. You would be calling intentional kicking on non-moving legs all the time because the kid put his leg in the passing lane and it was there before the pass hit it therefore he intentional kicked the ball. I would love to have more chime in here that if I put my leg down in the passing lane and it isnt moving that I kicked the ball intentionally without my foot moving because I knew it was going to have a ball hit it.

Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot.

How is a stationary leg striking the ball if it isnt moving....the ball hit it... the leg didnt move and hit the ball.

Interesting discussion.

[Peeps]

Originally Posted by BigT

Eastshire I agree with you. This isnt a violation. It is like we are deeming any time a ball hits the leg its a violation because you cant use your leg to defend a pass. What I mean is this. If a leg isnt moving it is not kicking. Even if I think he might pass I can move my legs into a defensive position. If I intend to move my leg to stop the ball its a kick. He wasnt moving his leg. If I think his feet were still moving into that position when the ball tries to go between his leg of course it is a kick. You would be calling intentional kicking on non-moving legs all the time because the kid put his leg in the passing lane and it was there before the pass hit it therefore he intentional kicked the ball. I would love to have more chime in here that if I put my leg down in the passing lane and it isnt moving that I kicked the ball intentionally without my foot moving because I knew it was going to have a ball hit it.

Kicking the ball is intentionally striking it with any part of the leg or foot.

How is a stationary leg striking the ball if it isnt moving....the ball hit it... the leg didnt move and hit the ball.

Interesting discussion.

the bolded there was my stance on it. i didnt jump in the way of the pass nor did i extend any part of my leg to deflect the pass. i stodd there and closed my legs before the ball ever left his hand. in my mind, thats not a kicking motion even though technically it hit my leg

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Peeps

the bolded there was my stance on it. i didnt jump in the way of the pass nor did i extend any part of my leg to deflect the pass. i stodd there and closed my legs before the ball ever left his hand. in my mind, thats not a kicking motion even though technically it hit my leg

It's what the official called it. End of story.

I'll leave the thread open, but the OP would be wise to stop repeating the same thing over and over and over again.

Originally Posted by Peeps

what exactly constitutes the leg, is it shin down. or from the waist down? (honest question)

Well my friend let me tell you about something called the "Iron Triangle".

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's what the official called it.

The "official" in a pick-up game? Usually that's the guy that makes the first call or guy that yells loudest or maybe the guy with keys to gym or only decent ball

[Peeps]

Originally Posted by letemplay

The "official" in a pick-up game? Usually that's the guy that makes the first call or guy that yells loudest or maybe the guy with keys to gym or only decent ball

im always 2 of the 3 and if i am really mad i can be the trifecta

[letemplay]

In pick up ball, a lot of rules as we know them are out the window. Most guys know this...ever tried calling a player control foul in a pick up game? You'd prob get laughed off the court.

[Peeps]

Originally Posted by letemplay

In pick up ball, a lot of rules as we know them are out the window. Most guys know this...ever tried calling a player control foul in a pick up game? You'd prob get laughed off the court.

ugh, dont get me started. we have at times counted out loud a guy who is in the lane for 17 seconds (we are old guys so chances for offensive rebounds are aplenty) he feels as long as he puts part of a foot out of the lane that negates it

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Peeps

ugh, dont get me started. we have at times counted out loud a guy who is in the lane for 17 seconds (we are old guys so chances for offensive rebounds are aplenty) he feels as long as he puts part of a foot out of the lane that negates it

Lane violations in pick up ball? What are you, a bunch of old lawyers and judges?