Kansas/Oklahoma Shooting Foul followed by T

[MD Longhorn]

I'm normally the last guy in the room to complain about officiating... but there were a ton of cringe-worthy calls (both ways) in this game. I know these guys are the top of the pile, ref-wise... but it felt like they were overmatched in this one, and it got worse as they got tired.

I don't know that they cost either team the game, per se, but I don't feel like we got to see who would have really won. I feel like we, the fans, got short-changed.

The non-call on the steal at the end was nearly unforgivable, though - the defender contacted the inbounder twice, hard - no call on either.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm normally the last guy in the room to complain about officiating... but there were a ton of cringe-worthy calls (both ways) in this game. I know these guys are the top of the pile, ref-wise... but it felt like they were overmatched in this one, and it got worse as they got tired.



I don't know that they cost either team the game, per se, but I don't feel like we got to see who would have really won. I feel like we, the fans, got short-changed.



The non-call on the steal at the end was nearly unforgivable, though - the defender contacted the inbounder twice, hard - no call on either.

It seems like a game of this magnitude can make even the most seasoned crew tend to over-officiate. Subconscious stuff. Nice to know the next time you kick a call that D1 officials are also human just like you.

Tough one on that last throw-in. Seriously, how many of us would have the guts to make a call in that situation?


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[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It seems like a game of this magnitude can make even the most seasoned crew tend to over-officiate. Subconscious stuff. Nice to know the next time you kick a call that D1 officials are also human just like you.

Tough one on that last throw-in. Seriously, how many of us would have the guts to make a call in that situation?


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Actually ... "that call" would have been easy to make, as the first call is simply a warning.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Actually ... "that call" would have been easy to make, as the first call is simply a warning.

I haven't seen the play, but are you sure about that? One of the other posters claims the inbounder was hit twice. There is no warning for that, it goes directly to FF1 on the first hit.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I haven't seen the play, but are you sure about that? One of the other posters claims the inbounder was hit twice. There is no warning for that, it goes directly to FF1 on the first hit.

One of the posters was me.

Looking at the replay, it appears the contact was less egregious than I thought, and may have been over the court, if that matters. He definitely hits his arm though.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

One of the posters was me.

Looking at the replay, it appears the contact was less egregious than I thought, and may have been over the court, if that matters. He definitely hits his arm though.

Any contact with the thrower in is an IF.

[Kansas Ref]

Bill surely knows how to work the refs. I rem'ber speaking with a colleague ref of mine who attended the "Bill Self Summer Camp" and worked as a volunteer ref for the scrimmages. He told me that coach Self said to his players: "if you ever disagree with a call--and you will, then it will all work out in the end, the refs tend to balance the calls, so it all works out in the end, just keep playing hard."

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

I'm normally the last guy in the room to complain about officiating... but there were a ton of cringe-worthy calls (both ways) in this game. I know these guys are the top of the pile, ref-wise... but it felt like they were overmatched in this one, and it got worse as they got tired.

I don't know that they cost either team the game, per se, but I don't feel like we got to see who would have really won. I feel like we, the fans, got short-changed.

The non-call on the steal at the end was nearly unforgivable, though - the defender contacted the inbounder twice, hard - no call on either.

"Cringeworthy" was Hield's missed FT to, for all intents and purposes, win the game for OU in regulation. More cringeworthy action were Ellis' multiple air balls from 15 ft and in during the 2nd half.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

"Cringeworthy" was Hield's missed FT to, for all intents and purposes, win the game for OU in regulation. More cringeworthy action were Ellis' multiple air balls from 15 ft and in during the 2nd half.

Wasn't that Lattin that missed the front end of the 1-1. Ellis wasn't cringeworthy when they went to him in the post 2 straight times and he scores. I didn't have a dog in this fight but it was a great game.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Wasn't that Lattin that missed the front end of the 1-1. Ellis wasn't cringeworthy when they went to him in the post 2 straight times and he scores. I didn't have a dog in this fight but it was a great game.

Really? Someone who's handle starts with OK for OKLAHOMA, and you say this?

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by AremRed

The official missed the play due to positioning, not anticipation IMO. He was stacked on the play and had to guess. I've seen the play a dozen times now and have no idea how to position yourself that fast to see between the players. This is a play that any ref could miss, depending on how lucky they were.

Why did he "have to guess?" Call what you see. If he didnt see it then there was no reason to guess and completely miss the play.

It was not an easy play to get in position to see but luck had nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Considering the clock is running down, and one of the best shooters in the nation has the ball, and where that official is standing, he should have stepped out on to the court so he could get a clear view of the shooting hand.

If he had started at home base, FTLE, he could have had an opportunity to step down to the sideline and look back through the play.

Either one would have taken some nimble movement and he may still have got the play wrong, but either is preferable to just standing there, allowing the stack to happen, then blowing your whistle on a foul that wasn't there. By staying stationary he has no credibility on this call b/c everyone knows he couldn't see it from where he was standing.

Exactly. Again, not an easy play to get in position on but we are suppose to anticipate plays not calls. In this situation he has to anticipate that a shot is going up and do what he has to do to get a better angle.

And if he couldn't see it then he should have just passed on it. This is not to slam this official but this play is an egregious example of a bad call. It happens to all of us but when the game is on national TV and involves the top 2 ranked teams in the country there is going to be an extra level of scrutiny that comes with the territory.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Really? Someone who's handle starts with OK for OKLAHOMA, and you say this?

Yes really. I live here, but I'm not an OU fan at all.

[OkieZebra]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

Really? Someone who's handle starts with OK for OKLAHOMA, and you say this?

It's pretty easy to not root for either team while living in this state, to be honest.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

"Cringeworthy" was Hield's missed FT to, for all intents and purposes, win the game for OU in regulation. More cringeworthy action were Ellis' multiple air balls from 15 ft and in during the 2nd half.

Hield didn't miss any free throws late, he was the one who scored 46 points. Lattin, #12, missed that free throw at the end of regulation.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Hield didn't miss any free throws late, he was the one who scored 46 points. Lattin, #12, missed that free throw at the end of regulation.

I stand corrected.

What was cringeworthy was Lattin missing a FT to basically win the game for OU.

My point is, this - It's annoying when people imply or outright blame official(s) for teams winning or losing when 99.9999% of the time it's the coaches and players that control their destiny.