So...is the term "extended arm bar" unclear?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Inconsistent and/or incorrect mechanics (and uniforms) seems to be the hallmark of H.S. officiating across the nation, from everything I've observed, worked with and been told to do for the past 6 or 7 years I've been working at the varsity level. Difficult to say why, but the infusion of men's and women's college officials is definitely part of the reason.

At the end of the day, though, managing a good game is the recipe for personal success even though state level evaluators and assignors may "say" they don't agree and will knock poor mechanics despite a well managed game all day long.

Since when is this an "inconsistent and/or incorrect mechanic"?

At some point most officials stop sweating the small stuff. I hit that sometime after working at the varsity level for 6-7 years.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Rich

Since when is this an "inconsistent and/or incorrect mechanic"?

At some point most officials stop sweating the small stuff. I hit that sometime after working at the varsity level for 6-7 years.

"Small stuff" is subjective, I suppose.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

"Small stuff" is subjective, I suppose.

It also changes for many people as time goes on.

These days it's mostly about positioning, playcalling, and game management for me -- the rest is typically "small stuff."

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Rich

It also changes for many people as time goes on.

These days it's mostly about positioning, playcalling, and game management for me -- the rest is typically "small stuff."

Agreed.

[SAJ]

I could see the use of two hands to stop play during a substitution. Typically, the T would beckon the subs and if the subsequent inbound play is administered by the L then a one handed stop sign by the T could also be interpreted as a ready to proceed (mirrored chop).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SAJ

I could see the use of two hands to stop play during a substitution. Typically, the T would beckon the subs and if the subsequent inbound play is administered by the L then a one handed stop sign by the T could also be interpreted as a ready to proceed (mirrored chop).

This is why I don't raise my arm for a mirrored chop until after the ball is at the disposal of the thrower in.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This is why I don't raise my arm for a mirrored chop until after the ball is at the disposal of the thrower in.

Yup, me too.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This is why I don't raise my arm for a mirrored chop until after the ball is at the disposal of the thrower in.

I also do this. And typically, if I need to tell my partners to hold up, I will put both my hands up so that they don't incorrectly assume I am raising my arm for a mirrored chop.

I still want to know this though: If you are administering the throw-in and your partner is doing anything to tell you he is not ready, why can you not figure that out on your own??

I don't need anyone to tell me they have counted 10 because I've already done it.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

I also do this. And typically, if I need to tell my partners to hold up, I will put both my hands up so that they don't incorrectly assume I am raising my arm for a mirrored chop.

I still want to know this though: If you are administering the throw-in and your partner is doing anything to tell you he is not ready, why can you not figure that out on your own??

I don't need anyone to tell me they have counted 10 because I've already done it.

Maybe there is a sub approaching the table you didn't see, or maybe there is a player finishing up a quick shoe lace tie that you didn't see, or maybe the third official is taking care of something 80 ft away that you might not immediately recognize...this list could go on. But, that is the idea. I've yet to work with an omniscient partner. Nor am I. So good communication - verbal and non verbal - is always essential.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This is why I don't raise my arm for a mirrored chop until after the ball is at the disposal of the thrower in.

Same here.....

[Eastshire]

There's nothing wrong with communicating with your partners that you have counted the players. If there's one thing we can learn from soccer referee Graham Poll, it's not to assume you or your partners can count to two.

I have never seen a one-handed stop signal that could be mistaken for the pre-time chop signal. The first is done shoulder height with the arm extended to the front; the second with the arm fully extended above the head. No reasonable person is going to mistake these two signals.