Illegal sub?? (New Ref)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Now would be a great time for JRut to do something that he never has on this forum--admit that he is wrong!

Don't hold your breath...

If the rule does not apply here then it does not apply, but not sure how someone just coming onto the floor is not a sub T. But to me that is splitting hairs, it is still illegal to just enter the court when you have not been in the game.

But we know you will not ever act like you have been around people discussing anything that is not always black and white. Makes me wonder do you have any friends? I know officials that discuss these kinds of things all the time and it is OK. Not everyone agrees at first on every single rule and idiosyncrasy of the rules at the time of these discussions.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

..... it is still illegal to just enter the court when you have not been in the game.

That was the whole point. He has been in the game. If nobody subbed for him, he's still a player, whether he's on the court or not.

But we know you will not ever act like you have been around people discussing anything that is not always black and white.

True, all rules questions are not black and white, but this one is.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That was the whole point. He has been in the game. If nobody subbed for him, he's still a player, whether he's on the court or not.

True, all rules questions are not black and white, but this one is.

The way I read this the ball was dead during a timeout or something and the player entered the court after the ball was made live. The "player" was not on the court legally at the time they entered the court. If that is not what he was saying, then OK but not how I read the OP.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If the rule does not apply here then it does not apply, but not sure how someone just coming onto the floor is not a sub T. But to me that is splitting hairs, it is still illegal to just enter the court when you have not been in the game.

But we know you will not ever act like you have been around people discussing anything that is not always black and white. Makes me wonder do you have any friends? I know officials that discuss these kinds of things all the time and it is OK. Not everyone agrees at first on every single rule and idiosyncrasy of the rules at the time of these discussions.

Peace

Never mind, I erred.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by OKREF

If B5 was in the game prior to the timeout, and ran onto the floor after the timeout, why would there be a T? The opening post was not clear if the player running onto the court was actually in the game or not, but in the third post of this thread, it was made clear that B5 was already in the game prior to the timeout.

It IS a technical foul if all players don't return to the court following a TIMEOUT. 10-1-9. If it is after a substitution, and the result of confusion, it is not. see PGref post earlier. it has both case plays.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BigCat

It IS a technical foul if all players don't return to the court following a TIMEOUT. 10-1-9. If it is after a substitution, and the result of confusion, it is not. see PGref post earlier. it has both case plays.

Yes, you're right.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

If B5 was in the game prior to the timeout, and ran onto the floor after the timeout, why would there be a T? The opening post was not clear if the player running onto the court was actually in the game or not, but in the third post of this thread, it was made clear that B5 was already in the game prior to the timeout.

For not returning at the same time after the timeout.

10-1-9:

TEAM TECHNICAL: Fail to have all players return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out or intermission.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

For not returning at the same time after the timeout.

10-1-9:

I wasn't even thinking about the not returning at the same time, just thinking if he was a player already. My mistake.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

If B5 was in the game prior to the timeout, and ran onto the floor after the timeout, why would there be a T? The opening post was not clear if the player running onto the court was actually in the game or not, but in the third post of this thread, it was made clear that B5 was already in the game prior to the timeout.

It was not in the OP who the player was and I was thinking this was a sub. If that is the case, that is a T according to 10.2.2. Now if they did not recognize the 5th player ran onto the court, there is no T at all as the ball has become live and not noticed by the officials.

Now maybe this has been clarified where the 5th player came from and his previous status but that was not clear or why I answered the original question.

Peace