Illegal sub?? (New Ref)

[Cole4088]

So, I'm new to the officiating world. I had a partner today that has been doing it for 3 years and is a little shaky. This is a middle school boys game. We resumed play with a throw in Team A only has 4 players AFTER the throw in. They start yelling we only have four players. So, a player runs off the bench and play continues. I look at my partner he doesn't look concerned. I searched the case book.. Can't find anything..

[PG_Ref]

Welcome to the forum. There are a couple of questions that need to be answered. Did this take place after a timeout or after a routine substitution process? That will determine the proper application of the rule.See the following case plays:

10.1.9 SITUATION:

Following a charged time-out Team B is still with their coach on the sideline when the official sounds the whistle to indicate play will resume. Four players of B return to the court just in time to play defense as A1 attempts an unsuccessful three-pointer. B1 rebounds and throws a long pass to B5 who enters the court just in time to catch the pass.

RULING: A technical foul is immed*iately charged to Team B for failing to have all players return to the court at approximately the same time following a time-out or intermission. While it is true the entire team may be off the court while the procedure is being used, once a team responds, all players must enter the court at approximately the same time.

10.3.2 SITUATION B:

After a lengthy substitution process involving multiple substitutions for both Team A and Team B, A5 goes to the bench and remains there, mistakenly believing he/she has been replaced. The ball is put in play even though Team A has only four players on the court. Team A is bringing the ball into A's frontcourt when the coach of Team A realizes they have only four players. The coach yells for A5 to return and he/she sprints directly onto the court and catches up with the play.

RULING: No technical foul is charged to A5. A5's return to the court was not deceitful, nor did it provide A5 an unfair positioning advantage on the court.


Also check with your local leaders ... some organizations are more lenient with sub-varsity teams.

[Cole4088]

It was situation B. Thanks a ton.

[JRutledge]

This should for the most part never happen. Make sure you have 5 on a side before you put the ball in play. But if it does happen, you have rules as listed to take care of this.

It is also a T for having a player come onto the court without being beckoned as in 10-2-2.

Peace

[Cole4088]

I as a new official made a few mistakes being to quick instead of slowing down. I agree it shouldn't of happened on my part (stuff happens though) another bonehead mistake by me was.. Team A's coach called a timeout. He yells to me *Timeout just to get the Subs in* I blow my whistle signal to the table Timeout White 30 second called by the coach. Then continued to administer a throw in. Team B coach tells 'what was the whistle for?' At this point I knew I messed up rushing. I said 'a timeout'. He looks at me and shakes his head and says 'I would have like to know that and use the timeout' D'oh

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is also a T for having a player come onto the court without being beckoned as in 10-2-2.

Players don't need to be beckoned, they are already legally in the game. The beckoning only applies to substitutes.

Originally Posted by Cole4088

I as a new official made a few mistakes being to quick instead of slowing down. I agree it shouldn't of happened on my part (stuff happens though) another bonehead mistake by me was.. Team A's coach called a timeout. He yells to me *Timeout just to get the Subs in* I blow my whistle signal to the table Timeout White 30 second called by the coach. Then continued to administer a throw in. Team B coach tells 'what was the whistle for?' At this point I knew I messed up rushing. I said 'a timeout'. He looks at me and shakes his head and says 'I would have like to know that and use the timeout' D'oh

Yep, no substitution TOs in HS. That's a college rule. So in a high school game allow either team to use the time if they wish. If both are ready to go, then you may continue with the game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Players don't need to be beckoned, they are already legally in the game. The beckoning only applies to substitutes.

If the player comes onto the court, then he is violated that rule.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If the player comes onto the court, then he is violated that rule.

Peace

No, if he was a player and already in the game there is no provision for him to be beckoned in by the official.