Illegal sub?? (New Ref)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is also a T for having a player come onto the court without being beckoned as in 10-2-2.

Players don't need to be beckoned, they are already legally in the game. The beckoning only applies to substitutes.

Originally Posted by Cole4088

I as a new official made a few mistakes being to quick instead of slowing down. I agree it shouldn't of happened on my part (stuff happens though) another bonehead mistake by me was.. Team A's coach called a timeout. He yells to me *Timeout just to get the Subs in* I blow my whistle signal to the table Timeout White 30 second called by the coach. Then continued to administer a throw in. Team B coach tells 'what was the whistle for?' At this point I knew I messed up rushing. I said 'a timeout'. He looks at me and shakes his head and says 'I would have like to know that and use the timeout' D'oh

Yep, no substitution TOs in HS. That's a college rule. So in a high school game allow either team to use the time if they wish. If both are ready to go, then you may continue with the game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Players don't need to be beckoned, they are already legally in the game. The beckoning only applies to substitutes.

If the player comes onto the court, then he is violated that rule.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If the player comes onto the court, then he is violated that rule.

Peace

No, if he was a player and already in the game there is no provision for him to be beckoned in by the official.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

No, if he was a player and already in the game there is no provision for him to be beckoned in by the official.

But the player just ran onto the court. For one you cannot be beckoned at that point and you certainly are potentially a sub.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But the player just ran onto the court. For one you cannot be beckoned at that point and you certainly are potentially a sub.

Peace

A Player cannot be a Substitute. A Team Member can be a Substitute.

A Player can (in the OP) "just run onto the court." A Team Member who desires to be a Substitute cannot.

[Nevadaref]

Now would be a great time for JRut to do something that he never has on this forum--admit that he is wrong!

Don't hold your breath...

[AABATTEE]

Not knowing the rule I've had this happen multiple times but only in the frontcourt and after realizing the player hopped in the game I did not award a Technical only because I didn't know. The crowd nor coaches complained luckily.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Now would be a great time for JRut to do something that he never has on this forum--admit that he is wrong!

Don't hold your breath...

If the rule does not apply here then it does not apply, but not sure how someone just coming onto the floor is not a sub T. But to me that is splitting hairs, it is still illegal to just enter the court when you have not been in the game.

But we know you will not ever act like you have been around people discussing anything that is not always black and white. Makes me wonder do you have any friends? I know officials that discuss these kinds of things all the time and it is OK. Not everyone agrees at first on every single rule and idiosyncrasy of the rules at the time of these discussions.

Peace