Fan Ejected

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Dad

Then stop officiating.

Without the Officials Code of Ethics or Missions Statement what is the point of being patched?

Why does my Opinion have to automatically warrant me to stop officiating. It's like the 2nd or 3rd time you've told someone to stop officiating because they don't agree with you. I do not believe that giving T's to fans is a best practice. I can't even think of a reason to do this. Other than the toilet paper toss that everyone know is coming. Now if that's what you, or your organization feels is needed by all means whack away. If a situation has risen to the point that the fans have become such a determent to the game; a T is the least of your problems.

Your name might say "Dad", but your not mine. I'll continue to officiate in manner consisant with the principles of my state and local association. If I want to go back to doing grade school and middle school ball i'll consider your advice.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by j51969

Why does my Opinion have to automatically warrant me to stop officiating. It's like the 2nd or 3rd time you've told someone to stop officiating because they don't agree with you. I do not believe that giving T's to fans is a best practice. I can't even think of a reason to do this. Other than the toilet paper toss that everyone know is coming. Now if that's what you, or your organization feels is needed by all means whack away. If a situation has risen to the point that the fans have become such a determent to the game; a T is the least of your problems.

Your name might say "Dad", but your not mine. I'll continue to officiate in manner consisant with the principles of my state and local association. If I want to go back to doing grade school and middle school ball i'll consider your advice.

It's like the.... zero.

Originally Posted by j51969

I don't officiate for the players, coaches, or fans.

Well, without them you're really not officiating now are you? Get it?

Again, read the missions statement and the officials code of ethics. It is what you signed up for.

I have never given a tech to a fan, but have kicked plenty out. I also don't have unruly games. I think at some point you confused my points -- probably when believing I was trying to insult you.

Dad are my initials, but your comment did get a laugh out of me.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Dad

It's like the.... zero.







Well, without them you're really not officiating now are you? Get it?



Again, read the missions statement and the officials code of ethics. It is what you signed up for.



I have never given a tech to a fan, but have kicked plenty out. I also don't have unruly games. I think at some point you confused my points -- probably when believing I was trying to insult you.



Dad are my initials, but your comment did get a laugh out of me.

I've been doing this for 29 years. I'll let you know when I start doing it for the kids.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've been doing this for 29 years. I'll let you know when I start doing it for the kids.

We all in some way or another officiate for our own selfish reasons. I wouldn't officiate if I didn't find it enjoyable. I do, however, think that taking the job seriously is important and that includes being professional.

For example:
Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interactions with student-athletes, coaches, etc.
Officials shall remain mindful that their conduct influences the respect that student-athletes, coaches and the public hold for the profession.

For me, officiating a game involves several parties. I look out for myself first, but I still think it's important to take athletes, coaches, and fans into consideration-- to some extent.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Dad

We all in some way or another officiate for our own selfish reasons. I wouldn't officiate if I didn't find it enjoyable. I do, however, think that taking the job seriously is important and that includes being professional.

For example:
Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interactions with student-athletes, coaches, etc.
Officials shall remain mindful that their conduct influences the respect that student-athletes, coaches and the public hold for the profession.

For me, officiating a game involves several parties. I look out for myself first, but I still think it's important to take athletes, coaches, and fans into consideration-- to some extent.

I'm just addressing the significant portion of people who think it's blasphemous to not nod your head vehemently when they say, "We do it for the kids."

(I have my own kid -- she'll be 11 next month -- and if I'm doing anything for kids it's staying home to be with her.)

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Dad

We all in some way or another officiate for our own selfish reasons. I wouldn't officiate if I didn't find it enjoyable. I do, however, think that taking the job seriously is important and that includes being professional.

For example:
Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interactions with student-athletes, coaches, etc.
Officials shall remain mindful that their conduct influences the respect that student-athletes, coaches and the public hold for the profession.

For me, officiating a game involves several parties. I look out for myself first, but I still think it's important to take athletes, coaches, and fans into consideration-- to some extent.

I officiate for numerous reasons, and one of them is definitely "for the kids". I know plenty whose list doesn't include "for the kids" and it shows.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I officiate for numerous reasons, and one of them is definitely "for the kids". I know plenty whose list doesn't include "for the kids" and it shows.

I hope your implication is because someone does not use the "for the kids..." line as their motivation or inspiration that they are not doing a good job? Is an official that works college or pro ball including but not limited to the NBA is doing this for the "kids?"

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I hope your implication is because someone does not use the "for the kids..." line as their motivation or inspiration that they are not doing a good job? Is an official that works college or pro ball including but not limited to the NBA is doing this for the "kids?"

Peace

I'm talking about sub varsity/varsity ball.

There are a lot of "kids" playing collegiate and NBA hoops, but, those two worlds are far different than h.s. ball in terms of what I mean when uttering the phrase "for the kids".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I officiate for numerous reasons, and one of them is definitely "for the kids". I know plenty whose list doesn't include "for the kids" and it shows.

Exactly how does it show?

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Adam

Exactly how does it show?

Attitude and ego. Not to the same degree with everyone, but it can be detected. I'm so used to it, that I have no problem dealing with and adjusting to it. It just is what it is. I'm not in the business of changing people and their motivation for doing what they do. Those things take care of themselves w/o my help.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Dad

We all in some way or another officiate for our own selfish reasons. I wouldn't officiate if I didn't find it enjoyable. I do, however, think that taking the job seriously is important and that includes being professional.

For example:
Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interactions with student-athletes, coaches, etc.
Officials shall remain mindful that their conduct influences the respect that student-athletes, coaches and the public hold for the profession.

For me, officiating a game involves several parties. I look out for myself first, but I still think it's important to take athletes, coaches, and fans into consideration-- to some extent.

I did not get involve in this for any other reason then I love sports and the sports I officiate and I am competitive to do the job correctly. Never has the "kids" really crossed my mind. I do this because it is fun and I would rather not coach. And I get paid so I would not do it for free.

That code of ethics has nothing to do with why we leave our home. There are other things we can do other than officiate and if the motivation is that narrow most of us would not do this at all. And just by the numbers we often lose, obviously there are people not finding the motivations in the right place to stay. This "It is all about the kids" crap gets on my nerves, certainly with the fact that I do not just do games with kids.

Peace

[Dad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not get involve in this for any other reason then I love sports and the sports I officiate and I am competitive to do the job correctly. Never has the "kids" really crossed my mind. I do this because it is fun and I would rather not coach. And I get paid so I would not do it for free.

That code of ethics has nothing to do with why we leave our home. There are other things we can do other than officiate and if the motivation is that narrow most of us would not do this at all. And just by the numbers we often lose, obviously there are people not finding the motivations in the right place to stay. This "It is all about the kids" crap gets on my nerves, certainly with the fact that I do not just do games with kids.

Peace

Motivation is that narrow? I don't know what you mean. Everyone has their own motivation for being an official.

As for "It's all about the kids," I just ignore the ambiguous statement. It's not like you're going to get a good answer asking someone what they mean.

I treat players/athletes in a professional manner. Most of the time at least, sometimes I can't resist telling a player/coach my opinion on their amazing play after they've given me their opinion on my call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Dad

Motivation is that narrow? I don't know what you mean. Everyone has their own motivation for being an official.

As for "It's all about the kids," I just ignore the ambiguous statement. It's not like you're going to get a good answer asking someone what they mean.

I treat players/athletes in a professional manner. Most of the time at least, sometimes I can't resist telling a player/coach my opinion on their amazing play after they've given me their opinion on my call.

My only point was that whatever your reason is you officiate, it is your reason. I am not looking for an answer or even care why someone answers as long as they are doing something they enjoy and it is legal and moral. Other than that, I really do not care why someone officiates. Some official just to make money. Some officiate to stay in shape. Some officiate because they want to stay close to the sport and some officiate just because the want to get out of the house. All those things and more are fine by me.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not get involve in this for any other reason then I love sports and the sports I officiate and I am competitive to do the job correctly. Never has the "kids" really crossed my mind. I do this because it is fun and I would rather not coach. And I get paid so I would not do it for free.

That code of ethics has nothing to do with why we leave our home. There are other things we can do other than officiate and if the motivation is that narrow most of us would not do this at all. And just by the numbers we often lose, obviously there are people not finding the motivations in the right place to stay. This "It is all about the kids" crap gets on my nerves, certainly with the fact that I do not just do games with kids.

Peace

I don't mind people saying they do it "for the kids" so much. I get a little salty when they start saying everyone needs to be motivated that way. Most I know are not.