Fan Ejected

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Dad

It's like the.... zero.







Well, without them you're really not officiating now are you? Get it?



Again, read the missions statement and the officials code of ethics. It is what you signed up for.



I have never given a tech to a fan, but have kicked plenty out. I also don't have unruly games. I think at some point you confused my points -- probably when believing I was trying to insult you.



Dad are my initials, but your comment did get a laugh out of me.

I've been doing this for 29 years. I'll let you know when I start doing it for the kids.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've been doing this for 29 years. I'll let you know when I start doing it for the kids.

We all in some way or another officiate for our own selfish reasons. I wouldn't officiate if I didn't find it enjoyable. I do, however, think that taking the job seriously is important and that includes being professional.

For example:
Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interactions with student-athletes, coaches, etc.
Officials shall remain mindful that their conduct influences the respect that student-athletes, coaches and the public hold for the profession.

For me, officiating a game involves several parties. I look out for myself first, but I still think it's important to take athletes, coaches, and fans into consideration-- to some extent.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Dad

We all in some way or another officiate for our own selfish reasons. I wouldn't officiate if I didn't find it enjoyable. I do, however, think that taking the job seriously is important and that includes being professional.

For example:
Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interactions with student-athletes, coaches, etc.
Officials shall remain mindful that their conduct influences the respect that student-athletes, coaches and the public hold for the profession.

For me, officiating a game involves several parties. I look out for myself first, but I still think it's important to take athletes, coaches, and fans into consideration-- to some extent.

I'm just addressing the significant portion of people who think it's blasphemous to not nod your head vehemently when they say, "We do it for the kids."

(I have my own kid -- she'll be 11 next month -- and if I'm doing anything for kids it's staying home to be with her.)

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Dad

We all in some way or another officiate for our own selfish reasons. I wouldn't officiate if I didn't find it enjoyable. I do, however, think that taking the job seriously is important and that includes being professional.

For example:
Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interactions with student-athletes, coaches, etc.
Officials shall remain mindful that their conduct influences the respect that student-athletes, coaches and the public hold for the profession.

For me, officiating a game involves several parties. I look out for myself first, but I still think it's important to take athletes, coaches, and fans into consideration-- to some extent.

I officiate for numerous reasons, and one of them is definitely "for the kids". I know plenty whose list doesn't include "for the kids" and it shows.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I officiate for numerous reasons, and one of them is definitely "for the kids". I know plenty whose list doesn't include "for the kids" and it shows.

I hope your implication is because someone does not use the "for the kids..." line as their motivation or inspiration that they are not doing a good job? Is an official that works college or pro ball including but not limited to the NBA is doing this for the "kids?"

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I hope your implication is because someone does not use the "for the kids..." line as their motivation or inspiration that they are not doing a good job? Is an official that works college or pro ball including but not limited to the NBA is doing this for the "kids?"

Peace

I'm talking about sub varsity/varsity ball.

There are a lot of "kids" playing collegiate and NBA hoops, but, those two worlds are far different than h.s. ball in terms of what I mean when uttering the phrase "for the kids".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I'm talking about sub varsity/varsity ball.

There are a lot of "kids" playing collegiate and NBA hoops, but, those two worlds are far different than h.s. ball in terms of what I mean when uttering the phrase "for the kids".

The point I was making, there are people that have aspirations beyond high school. Doing high school does not mean you are only concerned about that level or are trying to do a good job because of what they are currently working. Actually most of the time the officials I see that do the best job, do other levels because they care about their craft by paying money to be evaluated and want to take every opportunity at all levels to get better and be hired at other levels. I know a lot of high school guys that think they have arrived or want a lot of things handed to them because they live in a certain place or they work for a certain assignor. That is why your "for the kids" position is flawed.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I'm talking about sub varsity/varsity ball.

There are a lot of "kids" playing collegiate and NBA hoops, but, those two worlds are far different than h.s. ball in terms of what I mean when uttering the phrase "for the kids".

I think it's presumptuous to think there's a right reason to work HS games. You work for your reasons and I'll work for mine.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

How'd this thread go from talking about ejecting a fan to everyone's personal motiviation to be an official?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

I officiate for numerous reasons, and one of them is definitely "for the kids". I know plenty whose list doesn't include "for the kids" and it shows.

Exactly how does it show?

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by Adam

Exactly how does it show?

Attitude and ego. Not to the same degree with everyone, but it can be detected. I'm so used to it, that I have no problem dealing with and adjusting to it. It just is what it is. I'm not in the business of changing people and their motivation for doing what they do. Those things take care of themselves w/o my help.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Attitude and ego. Not to the same degree with everyone, but it can be detected. I'm so used to it, that I have no problem dealing with and adjusting to it. It just is what it is. I'm not in the business of changing people and their motivation for doing what they do. Those things take care of themselves w/o my help.

I'll put words in your mouth.

He's probably referring to officials who do lower level games, such as middle school, and it's obvious they don't care about the game or doing a good job. They think it's below their skill level(So they don't give a decent effort) and just want an easy double header $90.

Cliche example: I'm not calling a foul in the final seconds if it's a close game and my call my cause OT. I want outa here!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dad

I'll put words in your mouth.

He's probably referring to officials who do lower level games, such as middle school, and it's obvious they don't care about the game or doing a good job. They think it's below their skill level(So they don't give a decent effort) and just want an easy double header $90.

Cliche example: I'm not calling a foul in the final seconds if it's a close game and my call my cause OT. I want outa here!

I call bull crap on that bolded statement. Highly skilled officials who do lower level games elevate the quality of officiating. This causes the participants and fans to wonder why they don't get that quality of officiating all the time.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Attitude and ego. Not to the same degree with everyone, but it can be detected. I'm so used to it, that I have no problem dealing with and adjusting to it. It just is what it is. I'm not in the business of changing people and their motivation for doing what they do. Those things take care of themselves w/o my help.

I've found that "for the kids" officials aren't really into training and getting better. They are there just for the reason stated, for the kids to have officials available to work their games.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Dad

We all in some way or another officiate for our own selfish reasons. I wouldn't officiate if I didn't find it enjoyable. I do, however, think that taking the job seriously is important and that includes being professional.

For example:
Officials shall uphold the honor and dignity of the profession in all interactions with student-athletes, coaches, etc.
Officials shall remain mindful that their conduct influences the respect that student-athletes, coaches and the public hold for the profession.

For me, officiating a game involves several parties. I look out for myself first, but I still think it's important to take athletes, coaches, and fans into consideration-- to some extent.

I did not get involve in this for any other reason then I love sports and the sports I officiate and I am competitive to do the job correctly. Never has the "kids" really crossed my mind. I do this because it is fun and I would rather not coach. And I get paid so I would not do it for free.

That code of ethics has nothing to do with why we leave our home. There are other things we can do other than officiate and if the motivation is that narrow most of us would not do this at all. And just by the numbers we often lose, obviously there are people not finding the motivations in the right place to stay. This "It is all about the kids" crap gets on my nerves, certainly with the fact that I do not just do games with kids.

Peace