The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 11:35am
Courageous When Prudent
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hampton Roads, VA
Posts: 14,935
Quote:
Originally Posted by deecee View Post
Sadly at the college level the fashion police is not as high a priority as we make it here on the HS level.
I don't find that unfortunate

Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk
__________________
A-hole formerly known as BNR
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 12:05pm
Dad Dad is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 849
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef View Post
I don't find that unfortunate

Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk
This x100
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 12:38pm
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: DE
Posts: 226
NCAAW last night, had three players roll down socks so the double logo on the socks wasn't visible. Hate being the fashion police.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 01:48pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 537
If I may....

Quote:
Originally Posted by deecee View Post
Sadly for those of us at the HS level,at the college level the fashion police is not as high a priority as we needlessly make it here on the HS level.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 05:41pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,312
Do You Really Not Care Either Way ???

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef View Post
I could care less what kids wear ...
Did you really mean to say, "I couldn't care less"?

And, if that's true, and you really don't care, and you have a choice to do it the right way, or the wrong way, and since you don't care either way, then why not just do it the right way instead of the wrong way?

Now, if you really do care, and you care in a way such that you want to demonstrate your hatred for such fashion rules, then go ahead and do it the wrong way. Take a stand.

And, if you really do care, and you care in such a way to enforce the rules as they are supposed to be enforced by the NFHS, and your state association, then go ahead and do it the right way.

We all have choices, but I hope that we don't just ignore the issue.

__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)

Last edited by BillyMac; Thu Dec 03, 2015 at 08:22pm.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 07:30pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,010
Angry

A couple of weeks ago, I went to work a middle school girls game. Some of the girls kept their warm-ups on right up until the time that the starters came onto the floor for the opening tip.

One of the starters wearing a black uniform had on a light gray undershirt. I happened to be lined up right by her coach, WHO IS ALSO A REFEREE! I asked him why it was that we are half way through the season and we still have girls wearing illegal undershirts. His response was, "Because none of the officials have done anything about it." I turned to him and said, "No, it's because YOU haven't done anything about it. I'm pretty sure that if you sat her down in that chair on the bench right next to you, she'd ask why she wasn't playing, and when you told her, the shirt issue would be corrected." He said, "Yeah, but then we'd lose the game." I told him if I worked any more of his games this season, and she had an illegal undershirt, she wouldn't be allowed to play until it fixed. I also spread the word around to my fellow officials about the conversation I had.

I should note that this coach is new to this area -- 1st year in our association too. Needless to say, his excuse did not sit well with me AT ALL.
__________________
If you ain't first, you're LAST!!!
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 08:20pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,312
Similar In Color To The Uniform Jersey ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes View Post
One of the starters wearing a black uniform had on a light gray undershirt ... I told him if I worked any more of his games this season, and she had an illegal undershirt, she wouldn't be allowed to play until it fixed.
Maybe I'm confused, but if you knew the rule, and the coach knew the rule, then why wait until the next game? Why not instruct her, or have the coach instruct her, that she can't play in that game, that day, with an illegal undershirt? She doesn't have to take it off, but she can't play with it on.
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old Thu Dec 03, 2015, 10:18pm
High Five Master
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Southwest Missouri
Posts: 669
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac View Post
Did you really mean to say, "I couldn't care less"?



And, if that's true, and you really don't care, and you have a choice to do it the right way, or the wrong way, and since you don't care either way, then why not just do it the right way instead of the wrong way?



Now, if you really do care, and you care in a way such that you want to demonstrate your hatred for such fashion rules, then go ahead and do it the wrong way. Take a stand.



And, if you really do care, and you care in such a way to enforce the rules as they are supposed to be enforced by the NFHS, and your state association, then go ahead and do it the right way.



We all have choices, but I hope that we don't just ignore the issue.




Ok grammar police. You got me. I think the whole thing is silly and I would guess a lot of other officials agree. But, bc I want to do a good job, I enforce the rules. My statement about our city league is relevant bc I know I'm one of the few officials who do enforce the rules. It gets old being the bad guy but again, guess that is why we make the big dollars huh?


I wish I had a cool signature
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 04, 2015, 12:52am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: West Orange, NJ
Posts: 2,583
Quote:
Originally Posted by deecee View Post
Sadly at the college level the fashion police is not as high a priority as we make it here on the HS level.
Oh really? I can't speak for NCAAM but watch an NCAAW game and see if that's the case. To say our SRE is vigilant about uniform rules would be an understatement.
__________________
"Everyone has a purpose in life, even if it's only to serve as a bad example."
"If Opportunity knocks and he's not home, Opportunity waits..."
"Don't you have to be stupid somewhere else?" "Not until 4."
"The NCAA created this mess, so let them live with it." (JRutledge)
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 04, 2015, 07:16am
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,312
Fight The Good Fight Of The Faith (1 Timothy 6:12) ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef View Post
... I want to do a good job, I enforce the rules. I'm one of the few officials who do enforce the rules. It gets old being the bad guy.
Agree, and well stated.

Coach: "Hey BillyMac. She was allowed to wear that Tuesday night. Why not tonight?"

And ... Scene.
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 04, 2015, 11:00am
Dad Dad is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 849
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes View Post
A couple of weeks ago, I went to work a middle school girls game. Some of the girls kept their warm-ups on right up until the time that the starters came onto the floor for the opening tip.

One of the starters wearing a black uniform had on a light gray undershirt. I happened to be lined up right by her coach, WHO IS ALSO A REFEREE! I asked him why it was that we are half way through the season and we still have girls wearing illegal undershirts. His response was, "Because none of the officials have done anything about it." I turned to him and said, "No, it's because YOU haven't done anything about it. I'm pretty sure that if you sat her down in that chair on the bench right next to you, she'd ask why she wasn't playing, and when you told her, the shirt issue would be corrected." He said, "Yeah, but then we'd lose the game." I told him if I worked any more of his games this season, and she had an illegal undershirt, she wouldn't be allowed to play until it fixed. I also spread the word around to my fellow officials about the conversation I had.

I should note that this coach is new to this area -- 1st year in our association too. Needless to say, his excuse did not sit well with me AT ALL.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with the coach's line of thinking.

I'm not sure why you're so worried about something that has no negative impact on the game.
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 04, 2015, 03:12pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,010
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac View Post
Maybe I'm confused, but if you knew the rule, and the coach knew the rule, then why wait until the next game? Why not instruct her, or have the coach instruct her, that she can't play in that game, that day, with an illegal undershirt? She doesn't have to take it off, but she can't play with it on.
Point taken. This is what I should have done, and will do if it ever pops up again.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dad View Post
I see absolutely nothing wrong with the coach's line of thinking.
I see EVERYTHING wrong with the coach's line of thinking. He knows the rules and should be properly instructing them.

When people ask me about the uniform rules, I tell them that when mom and dad are in the stands taking pictures, they should want the kids to look good in the photos. Everyone being properly uniformed helps this to happen.
__________________
If you ain't first, you're LAST!!!
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 04, 2015, 03:52pm
Dad Dad is offline
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 849
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes View Post
Point taken. This is what I should have done, and will do if it ever pops up again.



I see EVERYTHING wrong with the coach's line of thinking. He knows the rules and should be properly instructing them.

When people ask me about the uniform rules, I tell them that when mom and dad are in the stands taking pictures, they should want the kids to look good in the photos. Everyone being properly uniformed helps this to happen.
What does this have anything to do with knowing the rules and instructing them?

What you want doesn't matter; what the parents want does.
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 04, 2015, 05:13pm
Esteemed Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 23,312
Choices, Choices, Choices ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dad View Post
I see absolutely nothing wrong with the coach's line of thinking.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dad View Post
What does this have anything to do with knowing the rules and instructing them?
Here's the rule:

3-5-6: Undershirts shall be a single solid color similar to the torso of the jersey.

Some of us enforce the rule. Some of us don't enforce the rule, even when we know the undershirt color is illegal. Some of us don't understand rule. Some of us ignore the rule, and don't even check the color of undershirts.

In the absence of any contradictory exception from the state association, there's only one good way to go here.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" (Charles Rosner, 1967)
__________________
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

“I was in prison and you came to visit me.” (Matthew 25:36)

Last edited by BillyMac; Fri Dec 04, 2015 at 05:17pm.
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old Fri Dec 04, 2015, 06:12pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 322
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes View Post
A couple of weeks ago, I went to work a middle school girls game. Some of the girls kept their warm-ups on right up until the time that the starters came onto the floor for the opening tip.

One of the starters wearing a black uniform had on a light gray undershirt. I happened to be lined up right by her coach, WHO IS ALSO A REFEREE! I asked him why it was that we are half way through the season and we still have girls wearing illegal undershirts. His response was, "Because none of the officials have done anything about it." I turned to him and said, "No, it's because YOU haven't done anything about it. I'm pretty sure that if you sat her down in that chair on the bench right next to you, she'd ask why she wasn't playing, and when you told her, the shirt issue would be corrected." He said, "Yeah, but then we'd lose the game." I told him if I worked any more of his games this season, and she had an illegal undershirt, she wouldn't be allowed to play until it fixed. I also spread the word around to my fellow officials about the conversation I had.

I should note that this coach is new to this area -- 1st year in our association too. Needless to say, his excuse did not sit well with me AT ALL.
You're reaction and approach to this coach doesn't sit well with me.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fashion Police Zoochy Basketball 3 Tue Feb 24, 2015 06:00pm
fashion police jodibuck Basketball 5 Mon May 05, 2014 03:42pm
More fashion police CoachP Basketball 33 Tue Jan 10, 2012 05:12pm
Fashion police CoachP Basketball 11 Sun Jan 08, 2012 02:25pm
fashion police? Junker Basketball 39 Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:16pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:18am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1