NCAA fashion police?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by constable

We spend more time worrying about uniform rules than we do learning how to call our balls and strikes. I see new officials who don't know what a pivot foot is but they can tell you what the logo restrictions are. We don't have our priorities straight.

We have a few of those guys. We also have some guys who can call the heck out of pivot feet, block charges, etc., but either misunderstand, or don't care to enforce the fashion standards.

Luckily we have a ton of guys that can do both. That's the high priority that we should all be striving for.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

We have a few of those guys. We also have some guys who can call the heck out of pivot feet, block charges, etc., but either misunderstand, or don't care to enforce the fashion standards.

Luckily we have a ton of guys that can do both. That's the high priority that we should all be striving for.

I only need one of three to know the fashion crap. I need all three to be good playcallers.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Scramble???? Too bad. 99.99% of these sleeves etc are not for medical reasons. Therefore, shouldn't be a big deal for them to ditch them. My biggest struggle is enforcing the rule at middle school level bc some of our city schools play by a modified rule set regarding turbo clock etc and every coach thinks that gives them carte blanche to ignore other rules as well


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Who CARES if they're for medical reasons? They're legal to use.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

Who CARES if they're for medical reasons? They're legal to use.

I think what he is saying is, they could just take the sleeves off to make everything match, and since most are wearing them for a medical reason, taking them off is an easy fix.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I think what he is saying is, they could just take the sleeves off to make everything match, and since most are wearing them for a medical reason, taking them off is an easy fix.

Taking off the headbands was a quicker fix.

All the headbands matched. All the sleeves matched. Like we told the coach, this was legal last year -- now it's not.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Scramble???? Too bad. 99.99% of these sleeves etc are not for medical reasons. Therefore, shouldn't be a big deal for them to ditch them. My biggest struggle is enforcing the rule at middle school level bc some of our city schools play by a modified rule set regarding turbo clock etc and every coach thinks that gives them carte blanche to ignore other rules as well


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The lower the level the less I nit about these types of rules.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by deecee

The lower the level the less I nit about these types of rules.

I know. And I want to as well but I worry, though I don't know if thy is the right word there, that if I don't enforce the rule, bc it really is a simple fix, then it gives my partners and my assignor the impression that I either don't know the rule or don't care. I'm new enough in our association that I want to make a good impression about those two things


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[Altor]

Originally Posted by deecee

The lower the level the less I nit about these types of rules.

And I tend to be more aware of these rules at the lower levels so we don't have to deal with them on a Friday night or in a tournament setting.

[BlueDevilRef]

Don't get it twisted on me. I could care less what kids wear, except for dangerous items. I know there could be a point of making a mockery of the uniform which is why we have standards but it gets old talking about it every year. My OP was more about it actually standing out to me last night in the Duke game as the guys had different colors on.

Does the NBA have a rule set on this? I don't watch it at all and can't really find a source online on my phone


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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

I could care less what kids wear ...

Did you really mean to say, "I couldn't care less"?

And, if that's true, and you really don't care, and you have a choice to do it the right way, or the wrong way, and since you don't care either way, then why not just do it the right way instead of the wrong way?

Now, if you really do care, and you care in a way such that you want to demonstrate your hatred for such fashion rules, then go ahead and do it the wrong way. Take a stand.

And, if you really do care, and you care in such a way to enforce the rules as they are supposed to be enforced by the NFHS, and your state association, then go ahead and do it the right way.

We all have choices, but I hope that we don't just ignore the issue.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

A couple of weeks ago, I went to work a middle school girls game. Some of the girls kept their warm-ups on right up until the time that the starters came onto the floor for the opening tip.

One of the starters wearing a black uniform had on a light gray undershirt. I happened to be lined up right by her coach, WHO IS ALSO A REFEREE! I asked him why it was that we are half way through the season and we still have girls wearing illegal undershirts. His response was, "Because none of the officials have done anything about it." I turned to him and said, "No, it's because YOU haven't done anything about it. I'm pretty sure that if you sat her down in that chair on the bench right next to you, she'd ask why she wasn't playing, and when you told her, the shirt issue would be corrected." He said, "Yeah, but then we'd lose the game." I told him if I worked any more of his games this season, and she had an illegal undershirt, she wouldn't be allowed to play until it fixed. I also spread the word around to my fellow officials about the conversation I had.

I should note that this coach is new to this area -- 1st year in our association too. Needless to say, his excuse did not sit well with me AT ALL.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

One of the starters wearing a black uniform had on a light gray undershirt ... I told him if I worked any more of his games this season, and she had an illegal undershirt, she wouldn't be allowed to play until it fixed.

Maybe I'm confused, but if you knew the rule, and the coach knew the rule, then why wait until the next game? Why not instruct her, or have the coach instruct her, that she can't play in that game, that day, with an illegal undershirt? She doesn't have to take it off, but she can't play with it on.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

A couple of weeks ago, I went to work a middle school girls game. Some of the girls kept their warm-ups on right up until the time that the starters came onto the floor for the opening tip.

One of the starters wearing a black uniform had on a light gray undershirt. I happened to be lined up right by her coach, WHO IS ALSO A REFEREE! I asked him why it was that we are half way through the season and we still have girls wearing illegal undershirts. His response was, "Because none of the officials have done anything about it." I turned to him and said, "No, it's because YOU haven't done anything about it. I'm pretty sure that if you sat her down in that chair on the bench right next to you, she'd ask why she wasn't playing, and when you told her, the shirt issue would be corrected." He said, "Yeah, but then we'd lose the game." I told him if I worked any more of his games this season, and she had an illegal undershirt, she wouldn't be allowed to play until it fixed. I also spread the word around to my fellow officials about the conversation I had.

I should note that this coach is new to this area -- 1st year in our association too. Needless to say, his excuse did not sit well with me AT ALL.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the coach's line of thinking.

I'm not sure why you're so worried about something that has no negative impact on the game.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Maybe I'm confused, but if you knew the rule, and the coach knew the rule, then why wait until the next game? Why not instruct her, or have the coach instruct her, that she can't play in that game, that day, with an illegal undershirt? She doesn't have to take it off, but she can't play with it on.

Point taken. This is what I should have done, and will do if it ever pops up again.

Originally Posted by Dad

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the coach's line of thinking.

I see EVERYTHING wrong with the coach's line of thinking. He knows the rules and should be properly instructing them.

When people ask me about the uniform rules, I tell them that when mom and dad are in the stands taking pictures, they should want the kids to look good in the photos. Everyone being properly uniformed helps this to happen.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes

A couple of weeks ago, I went to work a middle school girls game. Some of the girls kept their warm-ups on right up until the time that the starters came onto the floor for the opening tip.

One of the starters wearing a black uniform had on a light gray undershirt. I happened to be lined up right by her coach, WHO IS ALSO A REFEREE! I asked him why it was that we are half way through the season and we still have girls wearing illegal undershirts. His response was, "Because none of the officials have done anything about it." I turned to him and said, "No, it's because YOU haven't done anything about it. I'm pretty sure that if you sat her down in that chair on the bench right next to you, she'd ask why she wasn't playing, and when you told her, the shirt issue would be corrected." He said, "Yeah, but then we'd lose the game." I told him if I worked any more of his games this season, and she had an illegal undershirt, she wouldn't be allowed to play until it fixed. I also spread the word around to my fellow officials about the conversation I had.

I should note that this coach is new to this area -- 1st year in our association too. Needless to say, his excuse did not sit well with me AT ALL.

You're reaction and approach to this coach doesn't sit well with me.