Non-Correctable Error

[Refhoop]

And the possession arrow stays pointed toward the team that you incorrectly gave the ball to - so they get the next throw-in also.
Until the next throw-in has ended, this coach may need a hug.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

And the possession arrow stays pointed toward the team that you incorrectly gave the ball to - so they get the next throw-in also.
Until the next throw-in has ended, this coach may need a hug.

Wrong.

The rules don't allow you to screw up a game THAT badly.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Refhoop

And the possession arrow stays pointed toward the team that you incorrectly gave the ball to - so they get the next throw-in also.

6.4.1 SITUATION D: It is Team B’s turn for the next throw-in under the alternating-
possession procedure. By mistake, Team A is given that throw-in. Team A
(a) commits a throw-in violation, or (b) releases the ball on the alternating-possession
throw-in, but before the ball is legally touched inbounds, Team A or Team
B commits a foul. RULING: Once the throw-in ends – it is too late to change anything.
In (a), the throw-in ends when Team A violates and results in a throw-in for
Team B as well as the arrow for the next alternating possession. In (b), the alternating-
possession throw-in did not end when the foul occurred. Therefore, the
alternating-possession mistake is corrected and the arrow now favors Team B; penalize the foul appropriately. (4-42-5; ; 6-4-4; 6-4-5)

So the team that mistakenly got the throwin on an alternating possession throwin will not get the next arrow?

Am I on the right track?

More simply:

6.4.1 SITUATION: It is Team B’s turn for the next throw-in under the alternating possession procedure. By mistake, Team A is given that throwin. Team A completes the throwin pass and scores. During the dead ball after the made field goal, Coach B questions the officials about the mistaken throwin, and the direction of the next arrow. Who should get that next possession arrow?

I say Team B.

Do I win a cigar?

[Dad]

You would say B and be correct.

Tables can spazz out and turn the arrow and still have no idea what's going on. At least one official on the floor should always have some method of keeping track. Whiffing an AP arrow happens, twice in a row is just poor officiating.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Dad

At least one official on the floor should always have some method of keeping track.

Our local board requires all officials to keep a spare whistle in their pocket and switch pockets at every alternating possession change, as well as at halftime. My spare is an old fashioned Acme Thunderer (with a pea).

I fully realize that is totally frowned upon by almost all other Forum members, but it works well for us, especially at Catholic middle school games where an arrow is not required at the table.

Then, of course, we can always use, "Sorry Coach, we'll make sure that you get the next two out of three alternating possession arrows". This only works under several conditions: You're a veteran official, you have a good relationship with the coach, the score isn't close, and the coach has a great sense of humor. Under any other circumstances, the best we can do is to just say, "Sorry Coach".

[Nevadaref]

There used to be a comment in one of the case plays stating that if the officials mistakenly award an AP throw-in to the wrong team and cannot fix it because it becomes too late, then the officials should ensure that they give the other team the next AP throw-in and that a team should not knowingly be given two AP throw-ins in a row.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There used to be a comment in one of the case plays stating that if the officials mistakenly award an AP throw-in to the wrong team and cannot fix it because it becomes too late, then the officials should ensure that they give the other team the next AP throw-in and that a team should not knowingly be given two AP throw-ins in a row.

Hey. Aren't you the "King of the Archived Case Plays"?

Get to work. Citation please.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Our local board requires all officials to keep a spare whistle in their pocket and switch pockets at every alternating possession change, as well as at halftime. My spare is an old fashioned Acme Thunderer (with a pea).

I fully realize that is totally frowned upon by almost all other Forum members, but it works well for us, especially at Catholic middle school games where an arrow is not required at the table.

Then, of course, we can always use, "Sorry Coach, we'll make sure that you get the next two out of three alternating possession arrows". This only works under several conditions: You're a veteran official, you have a good relationship with the coach, the score isn't close, and the coach has a great sense of humor. Under any other circumstances, the best we can do is to just say, "Sorry Coach".

Why?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Dad

Why?

Unprofessional. Not in mechanics manual. Not necessary. Remember it. Rely on the table.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Unprofessional. Not in mechanics manual. Not necessary. Remember it. Rely on the table.

Unprofessional - this doesn't make sense

Not in mechanics manual - doesn't mean anything. Neither is carrying an extra shoe lace, but I looked like a bad-ass when mine broke and I had it fixed in under 40 seconds.

Not necessary - Until it is.

Remember it - good joke

Rely on the table - No.

Maybe these reasons apply for NBA, Big HS/College tourneys, etc. Even then I have still done it. I'm not going to muck up a game because all three of us are looking like idiots debating whether the table just screwed up an AP arrow.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Unprofessional. Not in mechanics manual. Not necessary. Remember it. Rely on the table.

That is not exactly true. It is frowned upon because it looks stupid digging in your pocket constantly to know where the arrow is pointed. You should know this by game situation, just like you know other things. And it is not like people do not forget to move their silly whistle to the other pocket.

Peace