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Correctable error?
Don't know what it is with scorer/timer issues the last week for me...last night BV game, my partner calls a foul on a rebound and the kid responds to him with a "you suck" so BANG ZOOM..goes to the table to report the personal and the tech which results in the kid fouling out. We get the replacement in and are trying to hash out the number of team fouls. Partner spends a good 30 seconds with the official scorer determining the number of team fouls and the scorer (who had his head up his arse the whole game) confirms/double confirms that the tech is #7. So we have no shots for the first foul and go to shoot the tech. Kid makes one and misses one and as we are about to inbound the ball the inbounder is asking me why we didn't shoot for the first foul and I say b/c that was only 6 and the tech was 7 and he goes "no it wasn't" and points to the board and sure enough now there are 8 team fouls. So we walk to the table again and WHOOPS the official scorer who confirmed and double confirmed that the tech was 7 was wrong, it was actually 8 and the scoreboard operator thought he could just go ahead and sneak that extra foul up on the board....so the three of us get together and determine that we have a correctbale error for failure to award the bonus free throws on the first foul. So we wipe the point off the board, shoot the 1 and 1 and then re-shoot the tech. Afterwards I started thinking about it and couldn't get it out of my head that I have seen this scenario discussed on this board and that the consensus was that this situation is not a failure to award since you did give them the tech free throws, that the correct thing to do would have been to not take the point off, but just to go ahead and award the 1 & 1 and give them the ball at the division line even though we would have been shooting out of order....somebody help me here did we kick this one?
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Yea, you kicked it, but don't worry about it too much. Next time (25 years from now!) you'll get it totally right.
Once the T is shot, it's shot. Now when you give the 1-and-1, it's not a do-over it's "correcting a correctable error" by just giving those shots that you didn't give. The correct restart was the inbounds at the division line, even without the T being the last shots, since that's the POI. There's nothing nicer than a good table, and nothing more frustrating than a lousy one. I totally sympathize with your frustration!! |
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So what? There's no requirement that the numbers be in the official book by 10 minutes.
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Bob, are trying to make the point that they only need to be supplied not physically written in the book? Agreed, but since the official scorer was nowhere to be seen i guess he couldn't have been "supplied" with them could he? Point understood however..
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Have the meeting first, then get to the book later. Or, check the numbers in the home team book and the visiting team book. Physically taking the book from the V scorer and requesting the announcer to transcribe into the home book is way OOO, imho. |
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By The Book (Get It ???) ???
So most you guys expect the book to be ready, i.e. names, and numbers, supplied, before the ten minute mark? Here in my little corner of the "Land of Steady Habits", the book almost never "ready" at ten ten minute mark, all the way up to, and including, high school varsity games. I have never seen, or heard about a technical foul penalty for this in 28 years. This seems to be our "custom", to give a little, or a lot of, leeway to the table crew. If we started enforcing the rule, as written in the book, after about a week, names , and numbers, would not only be supplied, they would be in the book at the twelve minute mark, which is when our referees are supposed to check the book. As it stands, if any of us called a technical foul, by the book, in this situation, we would be viewed by our assigner, our interpreters, and our evaluators, as being "overly officious officials".
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slowwhistle, instead of focusing on getting all the different table people to work together to get the info into the book, I'd focus on getting a person to the table to do the book, and let the book be late as long as there's SOMEONE THERE TO DO IT!!! Get with the AD, site supervisor, home coach if necessary, and get someone there!
This is more important than the book, because you need to establish a relationship with this person, in order to make the game less troublesome. Especially if there's just been a delay because of weather, you don't want one person starting the game and then the "real" person coming in late or never, with the sub just sort of hanging out, making mistakes, etc, etc etc. If the "real" person is gonna be late, you want to train and settle someone else and get that sitch all firmed up before the game starts. Then when the "real" person gets there (if ever) they can help, but keep that other person there and keep them learning. There are two benefits to this. 1) You have some consistency on the book through the whole game. 2) That school has a substitute with some experience, for when the "real" person gets the flu or something. |
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MISTAKE IN ADMINISTRATION SEQUENCE 8.7 SITUATION B: B1 fouls A1 just as the first quarter ends and then A1 retaliates and intentionally contacts B1. A1’s foul is a technical foul as it occurred during a dead ball. Team A is in the bonus. The officials by mistake administer the penalty for the technical foul before the free throw(s) by A1. RULING: The penalties should have been administered in the order in which the fouls occurred. However, since all merited free throws were attempted it does not constitute a correctable error situation. The second quarter will begin with an alternating-possession throw-in. (4-19-5c) |
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