NCAA 10-sec backcourt count - should it be reset?

[Raymond]

I'm still trying figure out how the new 10-second BC rule and its exceptions is related to a 5 second closely guarded count.

A closely guarded count doesn't get interrupted then resumed from the same point.
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[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm still trying figure out how the new 10-second BC rule and its exceptions is related to a 5 second closely guarded count.

A closely guarded count doesn't get interrupted then resumed from the same point.
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Precisely. Neither does a back court count if a time out is called. In each case, the team with ball gets exactly the same benefit from calling TO: a new count. I can be dribbling in the front court closely guarded and get relief from the 5 second count exactly the same as I can be dribbling in the back court and call time out to get relief from the 10 second count. (You added the ball going out of play to the scenario -- that is not a necessary component of the potential advantage of calling an excessive TO.)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Precisely. Neither does a back court count if a time out is called. In each case, the team with ball gets exactly the same benefit from calling TO: a new count. I can be dribbling in the front court closely guarded and get relief from the 5 second count exactly the same as I can be dribbling in the back court and call time out to get relief from the 10 second count. (You added the ball going out of play to the scenario -- that is not a necessary component of the potential advantage of calling an excessive TO.)

We're specifically talking about an excessive time-out, not just a regular time-out. So tell me again how the 2 are related. We're past the elementary part of the rule that allows a team to call a time-out and reset the 10-second count.

A technical foul on Team A doesn't reset the 10-second count...last I checked, after a technical foul, we don't resume the 5-second count where we ended.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

We're specifically talking about an excessive time-out, not just a regular time-out. So tell me again how the 2 are related. We're past the elementary part of the rule that allows a team to call a time-out and reset the 10-second count.

A technical foul on Team A doesn't reset the 10-second count...last I checked, after a technical foul, we don't resume the 5-second count where we ended.

In both cases, a team can choose (in theory) to lose possession, or to give up two FTs and keep possession. There might be a case where the latter is preferable. Some might consider it a loophole that needs to be closed.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In both cases, a team can choose (in theory) to lose possession, or to give up two FTs and keep possession. There might be a case where the latter is preferable. Some might consider it a loophole that needs to be closed.

It's not 2 free throws Bob, it's now just 1. All Class-B's are now just 1 shot. And one of the exceptions to not resetting the 10-second count is a technical foul on Team-A. So which takes precedence, the offensive time-out or the technical?

I say the time-out takes precedence, but as eyezen said, it worthy of an official interpretation from Art Hyland.

[eyezen]

Do not reset

Play 3
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With 20 seconds to go in the second period, Team A is behind by 1 point. Team A has possession of the ball in the backcourt with 2 seconds remaining
in the 10-second backcourt count and no timeouts remaining.

A-1 requests and is granted a timeout which is an excessive timeout. The officials chargeTeam A with an administrative technical foul, administer the one free throw and allow Team A to take the timeout. On the ensuing throw-in, does Team A receive a reset of the 10-second backcourt count?

Ruling
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No, even though Team A was charged with an excessive timeout, it resulted in a technical foul against Team A and therefore Team A does not receive a reset of the 10 second backcourt count.
(Rule 9-10)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Do not reset

Play 3
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With 20 seconds to go in the second period, Team A is behind by 1 point. Team A has possession of the ball in the backcourt with 2 seconds remaining
in the 10-second backcourt count and no timeouts remaining.

A-1 requests and is granted a timeout which is an excessive timeout. The officials chargeTeam A with an administrative technical foul, administer the one free throw and allow Team A to take the timeout. On the ensuing throw-in, does Team A receive a reset of the 10-second backcourt count?

Ruling
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No, even though Team A was charged with an excessive timeout, it resulted in a technical foul against Team A and therefore Team A does not receive a reset of the 10 second backcourt count.
(Rule 9-10)

Wow, that's funny. I sent him an email on the scenario stating that I would reset the 10-second count and he told me I was correct. Guess they went back for further review on this one.

As long as it's in writing, I'm good with whatever. They need to add it to the case book next season though.