NCAAM 10-sec backcourt count - should it be reset?
A1 has possession of the ball in the backcourt.
The shot clock reads 22 when A2 requests timeout and a timeout is granted. Normally we would reset the 10-sec count. What happens if team A is out of timeouts? I have my theory, but want to hear other opinions. (This is not an argument whether the time out request should be "ignored" or not) |
Reset the 10-second count. They pay the price for the excessive time-out with the Class-B tech.
I think it's a loophole in the rule; I brought this up in discussions with other officials one day. If I'm up by 3-points, out of time-outs, and in the last 10 seconds of a ballgame, I would take the time-out and give up the 1-point to save my team a turnover. This may cause the NCAA-Men to change the excessive time-out rule to match the Women's side. |
Men or Women
I was about to say, I don't know what the men's rule is, but on the women's side, an excessive timeout causes loss of possession on the ensuing throw-in.
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I tend to agree. The clock was stopped for the time out - not the ensuing offensive technical (and therefore not one of the three non-reset scenarios)...therefore the 10-sec count should be reset But I think the situation is muddied enough that it needs a definitive ruling. |
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I doubt there will be much concern about changing the rule unless there is a real incident -- how often is it really going to make sense to call that TO? This reminds me a bit of the old NBA advance the ball rule on a TO. I believe it was a Phoenix Suns game in the '80s where the Suns were down 1 with a second (maybe 2?) left, down 1 with no TOs left. They called it anyway to advance the ball. Other team made the FT. And they tied it at the buzzer. And I believe the rule changed the next year so that you could not advance on an excess TO. |
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You don't think that would benefit Team A? |
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As was mentioned earlier, there's no gain on the NCAAW side because part of the penalty for an excessive timeout is loss of possession. |
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And whether taking the T really makes sense is an interesting question in many of these scenarios. Is it really better to be up only two while having to inbound the ball against the press? Somewhat akin to the ever-present debate of when it makes sense for the defense to deliberately foul when up three in end game scenarios. |
I'm still trying figure out how the new 10-second BC rule and its exceptions is related to a 5 second closely guarded count.
A closely guarded count doesn't get interrupted then resumed from the same point. Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk |
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Precisely. Neither does a back court count if a time out is called. In each case, the team with ball gets exactly the same benefit from calling TO: a new count. I can be dribbling in the front court closely guarded and get relief from the 5 second count exactly the same as I can be dribbling in the back court and call time out to get relief from the 10 second count. (You added the ball going out of play to the scenario -- that is not a necessary component of the potential advantage of calling an excessive TO.) |
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A technical foul on Team A doesn't reset the 10-second count...last I checked, after a technical foul, we don't resume the 5-second count where we ended. |
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I say the time-out takes precedence, but as eyezen said, it worthy of an official interpretation from Art Hyland. |
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