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Old Mon Sep 21, 2015, 04:18pm
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10-sec backcourt play
This scenario was presented by the NCAAW SRE during our meeting Sunday...

*A1 is dribbling in her backcourt
*A1 throws a pass that is deflected by B1
*The ball bounces in the backcourt near the point where the division line intersects with the sideline
*The ball then lands OOB next to a frontcourt boundary (i.e., it counced forward and diagonally). The T official's 10-second count was at 8
*The ensuing throw-in goes directly into the backcourt and a player from Team A is the first to legally touch the ball

How much time will Team A have to advance the ball into the frontcourt?
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Different play. There's no touch by a second player from Team A in this OP.
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Different play. There's no touch by a second player from Team A in this OP.
Yup...my bad

I think by a strict reading of the rule, Team A should have only two seconds to advance.
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Guess that's why we get paid the big bucks. Whether 2 or 10, be able to explain your decision. If the NCAA-W has an interpretation then it should be really easy to proceed.

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re-start the count, they ought to have a fresh 10 seconds to advance the ball.
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re-start the count, they ought to have a fresh 10 seconds to advance the ball.
Do you have a rules based reason for that or just because you think that's what is fair.

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Old Wed Sep 23, 2015, 05:18pm
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And the interpretation is...

Team A would have 2 seconds to advance into the frontcourt because, as Bob and APG said, the ball never gained frontcourt status.
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and the interpretation is...

Team a would have 2 seconds to advance into the frontcourt because, as bob and apg said, the ball never gained frontcourt status.
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Well, the ball never had FC status, so, by my recollection of the rule (I don't have the books handy) it's 2 seconds.

Whether that's what the rules committee wanted or not ...
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2 seconds because the ball never gained front court status. If the ball hit the front court and then went out, then a new 10 seconds. Really going to have make sure all are aware of what is happened and what is about to happen on a play like that.
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This scenario was presented by the NCAAW SRE during our meeting Sunday...

*A1 is dribbling in her backcourt
*A1 throws a pass that is deflected by B1
*The ball bounces in the backcourt near the point where the division line intersects with the sideline
*The ball then lands OOB next to a frontcourt boundary (i.e., it counced forward and diagonally). The T official's 10-second count was at 8
*The ensuing throw-in goes directly into the backcourt and a player from Team A is the first to legally touch the ball

How much time will Team A have to advance the ball into the frontcourt?
I think we all agree now that in the play above, the answer is "2 seconds."

But, what if the throw-in (from adjacent to the FC), is a "bounce pass" that first hits the floor in the FC? Does that give A a new 10-seconds?

What if the ball is touched / tipped (not controlled) by A2 in the FC and deflects to the BC where it is recovered?
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I think we all agree now that in the play above, the answer is "2 seconds."

But, what if the throw-in (from adjacent to the FC), is a "bounce pass" that first hits the floor in the FC? Does that give A a new 10-seconds?

What if the ball is touched / tipped (not controlled) by A2 in the FC and deflects to the BC where it is recovered?
This would be why there's an "Ask Jon" section on the hub
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Old Tue Nov 03, 2015, 10:22am
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I think we all agree now that in the play above, the answer is "2 seconds."

But, what if the throw-in (from adjacent to the FC), is a "bounce pass" that first hits the floor in the FC? Does that give A a new 10-seconds?

What if the ball is touched / tipped (not controlled) by A2 in the FC and deflects to the BC where it is recovered?
Since there is no true TC during a throw-in, I say the ball does not have FC status in either scenario.
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This would be why there's an "Ask Jon" section on the hub
sure -- but I thought we might get some discussion here, first (unless it's been posted there and I missed it)

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Since there is no true TC during a throw-in, I say the ball does not have FC status in either scenario.
What is "true TC?"
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