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Old Mon Sep 21, 2015, 04:18pm
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10-sec backcourt play

This scenario was presented by the NCAAW SRE during our meeting Sunday...

*A1 is dribbling in her backcourt
*A1 throws a pass that is deflected by B1
*The ball bounces in the backcourt near the point where the division line intersects with the sideline
*The ball then lands OOB next to a frontcourt boundary (i.e., it counced forward and diagonally). The T official's 10-second count was at 8
*The ensuing throw-in goes directly into the backcourt and a player from Team A is the first to legally touch the ball

How much time will Team A have to advance the ball into the frontcourt?
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Old Mon Sep 21, 2015, 04:47pm
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Old Mon Sep 21, 2015, 05:00pm
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Different play. There's no touch by a second player from Team A in this OP.
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Old Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:19am
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Guess that's why we get paid the big bucks. Whether 2 or 10, be able to explain your decision. If the NCAA-W has an interpretation then it should be really easy to proceed.

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Old Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:27am
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re-start the count, they ought to have a fresh 10 seconds to advance the ball.
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Old Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:29am
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Well, the ball never had FC status, so, by my recollection of the rule (I don't have the books handy) it's 2 seconds.

Whether that's what the rules committee wanted or not ...
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Old Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:28pm
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2 seconds because the ball never gained front court status. If the ball hit the front court and then went out, then a new 10 seconds. Really going to have make sure all are aware of what is happened and what is about to happen on a play like that.
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Old Tue Sep 22, 2015, 01:31pm
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Different play. There's no touch by a second player from Team A in this OP.
Yup...my bad

I think by a strict reading of the rule, Team A should have only two seconds to advance.
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Old Tue Sep 22, 2015, 02:47pm
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re-start the count, they ought to have a fresh 10 seconds to advance the ball.
Do you have a rules based reason for that or just because you think that's what is fair.

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Old Wed Sep 23, 2015, 05:18pm
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And the interpretation is...

Team A would have 2 seconds to advance into the frontcourt because, as Bob and APG said, the ball never gained frontcourt status.
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Old Thu Sep 24, 2015, 08:19am
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and the interpretation is...

Team a would have 2 seconds to advance into the frontcourt because, as bob and apg said, the ball never gained frontcourt status.
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Old Mon Sep 28, 2015, 02:44pm
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Confirming our previous answers:

QUESTION:

Concerning the 10 second back court count. With 23 seconds on the shot clock team A is in control of the basketball in their backcourt. A pass is deflected by the defense in the backcourt. The ball travels toward the frontcourt and A.) goes out of bounds on the frontcourt sideline with out touching the front court or B.) touches the frontcourt before going directly out of bounds. Does team A receive a new 10 second count in either case.

ANSWER:

The intent of the rule change in 9-10 is to not provide the team in control with a new ten seconds in the backcourt when there is a new throw-in after the defense caused the ball to go out of bounds, a held ball with no change in team control or a technical foul assessed to the team in control and the team in control had failed to gain frontcourt status by the tenth second. In (a), because the defense caused the ball to go out of bounds and the ball did not gain frontcourt status, if Team A’s throw-in goes into the backcourt, Team A will have three seconds to advance the ball into the frontcourt. In (b), because the ball touched the frontcourt, it gained frontcourt status (Rule 9-12.3.a) before going out of bounds. If Team A’s throw-in goes into the backcourt, Team A will receive a new ten seconds to advance the ball into their frontcourt.

There is no frontcourt or backcourt status during a throw-in. It will be important for officials to discuss this scenario.
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Old Mon Oct 05, 2015, 06:37pm
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Confirming our previous answers:

QUESTION:

Concerning the 10 second back court count. With 23 seconds on the shot clock team A is in control of the basketball in their backcourt. A pass is deflected by the defense in the backcourt. The ball travels toward the frontcourt and A.) goes out of bounds on the frontcourt sideline with out touching the front court or B.) touches the frontcourt before going directly out of bounds. Does team A receive a new 10 second count in either case.

ANSWER:

The intent of the rule change in 9-10 is to not provide the team in control with a new ten seconds in the backcourt when there is a new throw-in after the defense caused the ball to go out of bounds, a held ball with no change in team control or a technical foul assessed to the team in control and the team in control had failed to gain frontcourt status by the tenth second. In (a), because the defense caused the ball to go out of bounds and the ball did not gain frontcourt status, if Team As throw-in goes into the backcourt, Team A will have three seconds to advance the ball into the frontcourt. In (b), because the ball touched the frontcourt, it gained frontcourt status (Rule 9-12.3.a) before going out of bounds. If Team As throw-in goes into the backcourt, Team A will receive a new ten seconds to advance the ball into their frontcourt.
Had this come up in one of our meetings: In scenario (a) after the ball goes out of bounds can team A "buy" a new 10 second count with a time out? (Answer to follow)...
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Had this come up in one of our meetings: In scenario (a) after the ball goes out of bounds can team A "buy" a new 10 second count with a time out? (Answer to follow)...
Yes.
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Old Mon Oct 05, 2015, 11:20pm
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Had this come up in one of our meetings: In scenario (a) after the ball goes out of bounds can team A "buy" a new 10 second count with a time out? (Answer to follow)...
A time out granted to a team in its backcourt always results in a new ten-second count.
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