Two Block/Charge Plays (Video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by hoopsaddict

How does being slow in reacting cause you to lose LGP?

A1 established a new path and B1 wasn't in it. B1 needed to reestablish LGP and didn't.

[walt]

Bad angle on play #1 but first reaction was block with defender moving into the path of the BH/D but just not getting there in time. Not the best angle on play #2 either because I cannot see between to see if there was any contact but, assuming there was contact, PC in #2.

[hoopsaddict]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm with Camron, when A1 retreated B1 was no longer in LGP. A1 then went in a new direction and B1 never got 2 feet down in his path.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

A1 established a new path and B1 wasn't in it. B1 needed to reestablish LGP and didn't.

By rule, a defender can move laterally or obliquely to maintain position after they initially obtain legal guarding position as long as they do not move toward the opponent when contact occurs.

Wouldn't retreating mean the offensive player caused contact with the defender?

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by hoopsaddict

By rule, a defender can move laterally or obliquely to maintain position after they initially obtain legal guarding position as long as they do not move toward the opponent when contact occurs.

Wouldn't retreating mean the offensive player caused contact with the defender?

When A1 pulls the ball back out (towards T), that is what I think was labeled as 'retreating'. At that point B1 hangs back and relinquishes his LGP (he's roughly 10 feet off of A1). There is no maintaining LGP at that point. It is then B1's attempt to again establish (or re-establish) LGP upon A1 driving to the basket, to which he could not do, thus the block call.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

When A1 pulls the ball back out (towards T), that is what I think was labeled as 'retreating'. At that point B1 hangs back and relinquishes his LGP (he's roughly 10 feet off of A1). There is no maintaining LGP at that point. It is then B1's attempt to again establish (or re-establish) LGP upon A1 driving to the basket, to which he could not do, thus the block call.

Really? Where is there anything in the rules that says a defender loses LGP if either player backs away?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Really? Where is there anything in the rules that says a defender loses LGP if either player backs away?

So LGP exists forever?

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[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So LGP exists forever?

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Move A1 and B1 from the perimeter to the post area. A1 is faced up towards the goal about a foot from B1, who has both feet on the floor with his/her torso facing A1. A1 backs up so the distance between them is 7-8 feet but B1 doesn't move. Did B1 do anything to lose LGP?

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Move A1 and B1 from the perimeter to the post area. A1 is faced up towards the goal about a foot from B1, who has both feet on the floor with his/her torso facing A1. A1 backs up so the distance between them is 7-8 feet but B1 doesn't move. Did B1 do anything to lose LGP?

B1 didn't do anything to lose LGP on his end (move forward, etc.) but A1's path is now backward, which means that B1 is no longer "by definition" guarding A1.

Oh course this argument is pointless cuz we don't care whether B1 is legal until contact occurs.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by hoopsaddict

By rule, a defender can move laterally or obliquely to maintain position after they initially obtain legal guarding position as long as they do not move toward the opponent when contact occurs.

Wouldn't retreating mean the offensive player caused contact with the defender?

He retreated about 6-7 ft from the defender and started a new path.

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