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Old Mon Aug 03, 2015, 07:06am
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Two Block/Charge Plays (Video)

Blocks? Charges? One of each?

Blocks or Charges?

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Old Mon Aug 03, 2015, 08:02am
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First instinct in both cases..."block". Both defenders appeared to move into ball handlers...no LGP in ether case. Now I'll go back and rewind it a few times and see if I feel any different.
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Old Mon Aug 03, 2015, 08:33am
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I have both plays as PC fouls. In #1 the BH/D never gets head and shoulders past the defender, meaning the onus is on the BH/D to avoid contact. Same deal for #2, assuming there was contact.

In #2 I'm assuming there was a turnover and the new L got stuck but he still needed to bust it to get to the end line. It appears he made up his mind - or his legs made up his mind for him - that he wasn't going to get to the end line in time about two steps over the division line.

Of course, his physical condition looks much better than that of the new T. I'm sure it sounds like I'm trying to hate but as a guy who shed 45 lbs. since the start of 2013 I'm speaking from experience. It's hard officiating 17-year-old when you're carrying too much baggage.
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charge, charge.

in each instance i ask myself what did the defense do wrong? nothing.

Both the contacts were straight through the chest and neither involved a player going airborne so looked like defense got to the spot first and had lgp.
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PC and PC.

Although in the second clip, I'm not certain, becuase of the camera angle, how much contact there was. If there was some embellishment, I can see a "play-on" no-call.
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First one looks like a block. The defender is coming towards the ball handler at the time of contact.

The second one looks like a PC mostly, but I cannot tell if the defender is going forward to the ball handler or moving sideways. But it appears to be PC for the most part.

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Old Mon Aug 03, 2015, 02:41pm
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Play 1 is a bad angle, but that looks like a block to me, no LGP as the defender was still sliding into offensive player at contact.

Play 2 looks like a PC, assuming there was sufficient contact.
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First one looks like a block. The defender is coming towards the ball handler at the time of contact.
JRut, looks like the defender's right foot is moving backwards at point of contact, no?


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Play 1 is a bad angle, but that looks like a block to me, no LGP as the defender was still sliding into offensive player at contact.
Regardless of whether you rule block or PC, what does "sliding into" mean?
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Old Mon Aug 03, 2015, 06:07pm
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JRut, looks like the defender's right foot is moving backwards at point of contact, no?
I looks to me like he is coming forward towards the opponent. Now I said looks like as to suggest it is possible he is not. But the angle and the way he falls is also suspect. And I am one that usually defaults to PC fouls in these situations. I am not dismissing your point, I just do not see what you are seeing.

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Blocks? Charges? One of each?
Play 1: Charge

Play 2: Charge

Play 1 is a tough play cuz it's pretty high for the Lead to call (who probably has the best idea of the defenders LGP), so Trail has to get it. I really like how Trail closed down so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Play 2 is tough to see from our angle how much the offensive player goes through the defender. I could see a no-call but maybe the offensive player uses his left arm there where we can't see. Wish the Lead could have made it to the endline to accept the play but I'm actually more concerned with Trail's extra baggage.
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Old Tue Aug 04, 2015, 12:41am
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Play 1: Bad angle but it looks like a block.
Play 2: Charge!
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