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Old Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:48pm
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Verbal Obstruction?
R2.

F1 spins and fakes a throw to the covering F4. R2 dives back into the base thinking there is a throw.

F8 comes charging into "field" the ball that was never actually thrown. Defense starts yelling "third, third, third!"

R2 thinks the ball is rolling to F8. He gets up to run to third where he is tagged out.

Legal?
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Old Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:54pm
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R2.

F1 spins and fakes a throw to the covering F4. R2 dives back into the base thinking there is a throw.

F8 comes charging into "field" the ball that was never actually thrown. Defense starts yelling "third, third, third!"

R2 thinks the ball is rolling to F8. He gets up to run to third where he is tagged out.

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Yep.

Fake plays (aside from fake tags) are legal. Mimicking base coaches or talking directly to offensive personnel to fake them is not.
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Old Mon Mar 17, 2014, 08:50pm
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Yep.

Fake plays (aside from fake tags) are legal. Mimicking base coaches or talking directly to offensive personnel to fake them is not.
This is illegal in FED. Yes verbal obstruction.
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Old Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:06pm
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I think the only examples in FED are where the defense says something that the offense would normally say.

It's unclear to me how far to extend that (if at all).
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Old Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:22pm
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This is illegal in FED. Yes verbal obstruction.
Case play?
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Old Mon Mar 17, 2014, 10:34pm
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This is a variation of the "Miami" play, and I got nothing to call in any rule set. I will need a case play or AR to consider this verbal obstruction in FED or any other rule set.
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Case play?
The one where the runner slides in and the defensive players start yelling "back back". Don't have books in front of me.
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Old Tue Mar 18, 2014, 06:40am
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The one where the runner slides in and the defensive players start yelling "back back". Don't have books in front of me.
I think the catcher threw a pop-up with a runner stealing or something like that.
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The one where the runner slides in and the defensive players start yelling "back back". Don't have books in front of me.

Yelling "back, back!" is something a coach would say. I agree that mimicking base coaches is verbal instruction, but I don't think this is that. Yelling "third, third!" is something the defense would legitimately say. I don't think I'd call the original situation verbal obstruction. If the runner and his base coach don't know where the ball is and they fall for the defense simply acting out what they legitimately would do in an overthrow situation, then shame on them.
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Old Tue Mar 18, 2014, 10:28am
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2.22.1 SITUATION A: R1 attempts to steal second. F2, upon receiving the pitch, throws a pop-up to F6. F5 yells "get back, get back." R1 thinks B2 has hit a pop-up and starts back to first where he is tagged out.

RULING: This is verbal obstruction and R1 shall be awarded second base.
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The one where the runner slides in and the defensive players start yelling "back back". Don't have books in front of me.
yelling offensive commands to offensive players is one thing. The OP is not even close to this.
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This is illegal in FED. Yes verbal obstruction.
No it is not. Not sure why anyone would think it was.
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