Ohio team schedules 2 quick games to get ejected player back for state

[Publius]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

The coach, the player, the team, the school, the conference, and the OHSAA all owe this official an apology and should be ashamed of themselves.

We're independent contractors and have no say in the administration of any school, team, conference or association. If you don't like it, don't work there. I certainly have my share of places I don't work because I don't like how they treat me, but I never once thought anybody owed me an apology. There are multiple coaches who bad-mouthed me publicly over the years, and when I was offered games to work where they coach, I just turned 'em down.

ozzy said it well:

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

"Personally, I couldn't care less. The player got ejected and as far as I am concerned, that is all we as umpires have control over. Who (umpires) really gives a crap if he plays the next game or not?"

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Publius

We're independent contractors and have no say in the administration of any school, team, conference or association. If you don't like it, don't work there. I certainly have my share of places I don't work because I don't like how they treat me, but I never once thought anybody owed me an apology. There are multiple coaches who bad-mouthed me publicly over the years, and when I was offered games to work where they coach, I just turned 'em down.

ozzy said it well:

We're going to have to agree to disagree here. This entite matter is a symptom of a much larger generational problem. There is virtually NO accountibility anymore for young men and women when they cross the line. This kid steps out of bounds and swears at an adult who's been placed in an authoritative position, and it appears the entire system makes allowances for it. In the days I played baseball none of the kids I played baseball with would have gotten away with something like this. Our coaches and school administrators would have supprted the official, and an a$$kicking woyld have been the order of the day by our fathers.

Tim.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

We're going to have to agree to disagree here. This entite matter is a symptom of a much larger generational problem. There is virtually NO accountibility anymore for young men and women when they cross the line. This kid steps out of bounds and swears at an adult who's been placed in an authoritative position, and it appears the entire system makes allowances for it. In the days I played baseball none of the kids I played baseball with would have gotten away with something like this. Our coaches and school administrators would have supprted the official, and an a$$kicking woyld have been the order of the day by our fathers.

Tim.

The OHSAA system makes allowances for the frequent strings of foul weather we get here in Ohio. A few years ago, the weather was so wet teams were lucky to have played 15 games going into the tournament. The system was set up to allow teams to have a normal season even if early April weather doesn't cooperate.

That system was abused here and I would expect it will be adjusted to prevent this abuse in the future. Don't blame the system. Blame the coach, AD, principal and school system who lack the integrity to hold the player accountable.

[scrounge]

Seems like there would be a fairly straightforward fix: if a player is suspended in an OHSAA tournament game, they must sit out the next tournament game.

But I think it's a little unfair to say the state "allowed" this to happen...the weasels found a loophole and accomplices to help them go through it, but the state couldn't just implement rules on the fly.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by scrounge

Seems like there would be a fairly straightforward fix: if a player is suspended in an OHSAA tournament game, they must sit out the next tournament game.

But I think it's a little unfair to say the state "allowed" this to happen...the weasels found a loophole and accomplices to help them go through it, but the state couldn't just implement rules on the fly.

That is exactly the way the rule should read. You miss the next scheduled game that is on you schedule at the time of the ejection. If that game is rained out then it is the following game, so forth and so on till the suspension is served. If it is a tournament game, the suspension applies to that tournament and you miss the next game in that tournament. Any games that are not part of the tournament between the suspension and the next tournament game can be played in.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

That is exactly the way the rule should read. You miss the next scheduled game that is on you schedule at the time of the ejection.

The problem with this is the weather in Ohio wreaks havoc with schedules.

Let's say a kid is dumped on Wednesday and the team is scheduled for Thursday and Friday but off for the weekend. However, rain causes postponements for Thursday and Friday. The original schedule called for the weekend off, now they schedule not one but two games over the weekend. By using the term "scheduled games" a player could be forced to serve a suspension greater than the rule calls for. (the reschedules may not be with the original teams)

This specific situation is easily fixed by inserting the regulation "if you are ejected in a tournament game, you are suspended for the next two tournament games."

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

We're going to have to agree to disagree here. This entite matter is a symptom of a much larger generational problem. There is virtually NO accountibility anymore for young men and women when they cross the line. This kid steps out of bounds and swears at an adult who's been placed in an authoritative position, and it appears the entire system makes allowances for it. In the days I played baseball none of the kids I played baseball with would have gotten away with something like this. Our coaches and school administrators would have supprted the official, and an a$$kicking woyld have been the order of the day by our fathers.

Tim.

Nobody is disagreeing with you. They're telling you why they're right.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Nobody is disagreeing with you. They're telling you why they're right.

I thought that when people take up two different sides of a discussion the term best used to describe their differences is "disagreement". If you think otherwise, we'll just have to disagree.................

Tim.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I thought that when people take up two different sides of a discussion the term best used to describe their differences is "disagreement". If you think otherwise, we'll just have to disagree.................

Tim.

That would be true, but you always seem to get on the side of the fence that suits your agenda at the moment...........seen it too many times in the past...........instead of a discussion, you have axes you want to grind.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

That would be true, but you always seem to get on the side of the fence that suits your agenda at the moment...........seen it too many times in the past...........instead of a discussion, you have axes you want to grind.

I have no idea what this means.

Seems to me that I've heard this before in this thread.....

Tim.

[Steve Meyer]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I have no idea what this means.

Seems to me that I've heard this before in this thread.....

Tim.

Don't know what you're reading, but that answer was pretty poignant, and straight forward as they come.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

..instead of a discussion, you have axes you want to grind.

And you don't?

Your continued need to badger people over past things is getting old.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Nobody is disagreeing with you. They're telling you why they're right.

Isn't that the definition of disagreeing? When they take a different stance and try to sell you on their belief?

[Adam]

Colorado is very clear on this. A student who is ejected is ineligible to play a game at any level until he/she misses the next scheduled game at the level where the ejection took place. IOW, if a player is ejected from a JV game, he cannot play any level until he misses the next scheduled JV game.

The rules specify, "A school may not schedule a contest after an ejection in order to circumvent the penalty."

IOW, the OP couldn't happen here. Frankly, I'm surprised all states don't have the same rule.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by Adam

The rules specify, "A school may not schedule a contest after an ejection in order to circumvent the penalty."

So will they say...we just want to play, we're not circumventing the penalty.