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[Mrumpiresir]

I guess you are assuming the pitch was ball four, forcing all runners to advance, in which case the run scores.

The OP doesn't tell us what the pitch is. If it's strike three, no run can score.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by Mrumpiresir

I guess you are assuming the pitch was ball four, forcing all runners to advance, in which case the run scores.

The OP doesn't tell us what the pitch is. If it's strike three, no run can score.

Lets assume it is strike three on the swing, ball in the dirt and for some stupid reason the catcher throws to third instead of tagging the plate or throwing to first. R2 overruns 3B and is tagged out off the bag before R3 touches home. Then the run does not count.

Your right though, "The OP doesn't tell us what the pitch is"

[MD Longhorn]

We don't know what the pitch is ... we also don't know what the ruleset is.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

We don't know what the pitch is ... we also don't know what the ruleset is.

Does the rule set matter in this play?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Does the rule set matter in this play?

If it's a strike, it doesn't, but if this was a walk, in most rulesets the run scores (they treat the forced advance of the runner on third as an award, not simply a player advancing without liability to be put out). But (granted, it's been a couple of years, but the last I worked...) in both Pony and AL, they treated is this same way ASA softball does - the ball is live on a walk. If a runner is put out as in the OP, that's the 3rd out. The runner advancing home does so without liability, of course, but did not score before the 3rd out was made. No run.

[Dave Reed]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

in both Pony and AL, they treated is this same way ASA softball does - the ball is live on a walk. If a runner is put out as in the OP, that's the 3rd out. The runner advancing home does so without liability, of course, but did not score before the 3rd out was made. No run.

Can you think of any ruleset in which the ball isn't live on a walk? Tee ball maybe.

I don't know about ASA, but American Legion uses OBR for this situation, and so does Pony-- assuming the pitcher is a player, and not a machine or coach.

Note to all: It is true the OP doesn't say if the pitch as an uncaught strike. He also doesn't say, for example, if there was umpire interference. Seems to me that we can assume that the OP would consider a uncaught 3rd strike as significant information and would have included it--especially since it takes poor play on the part of the catcher to try to get an out on an overrun of third base.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Dave Reed

Can you think of any ruleset in which the ball isn't live on a walk? Tee ball maybe.

I don't know about ASA, but American Legion uses OBR for this situation, and so does Pony-- assuming the pitcher is a player, and not a machine or coach.

Note to all: It is true the OP doesn't say if the pitch as an uncaught strike. He also doesn't say, for example, if there was umpire interference. Seems to me that we can assume that the OP would consider a uncaught 3rd strike as significant information and would have included it--especially since it takes poor play on the part of the catcher to try to get an out on an overrun of third base.

OK, so things changed since I worked those.

Yes, the ball is live on a walk... but there's no logic to the idea then that every runner is AWARDED their next base. If the ball is live (and it is), and runners are allowed to advance without liability to be put out (they are), where's the logic that should score the run when an out occurs before that run? (Yes, I know, the rulesets all have interpretations that go that way ... but they defy the internal logic of the rest of the rules).

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by Dave Reed

Can you think of any ruleset in which the ball isn't live on a walk? Tee ball maybe.

No walks in Tee-Ball.