Player ejection and coach response

[tankmjg24]

So my association president gave me a call this evening. He was entirely supporting of my ejection and stated that the offending coach had given him a call discussing the game. The coach told my assignor that he was sorry for the remarks in the paper and that he got a little carried away and that the paper took a few things out of context also. Supposedly their conversation ended with him saying that there were no hard feelings and that he would not mind me back at his location.

My association president feels as if we should not pursue anything additional at this point. He feels as if the state has an issue with anything that they will contact me directly asking for clarification. One part of me thinks that burying this is the best, yet another part of me says that if he gets away with it what will stop him from doing it in the future. I guess I will let things go for now and just continue umpiring.

[bluehair]

I wonder if coach called your assigner before or after he saw his words in the newspaper.

This kind of call is so much harder than the ones we make on the field. You have a coach that says that he got "a little carried away" and that he was misquoted and you're welcome to come back anytime (probably only if this is far as the issue goes). And an assigner that's on your side, but really hopes you let it lie (that part about the state contacting you if they have an issue is BS, I doubt the state will even hear about this incident if no one files a report). And then you have all us internet umpires (not in your shoes) telling you what you should do.

Sometimes when I F-up a call, I lose sleep over it. Don't let an A-hole like this cause you to lose sleep. Use your best judgement and then let it go. Good luck, bruda.

[kylejt]

The coach reached out out of fear. Fear you'd have his next game, and word would get out that he lied to the press. Afraid you'd let on to the rest of the umpires what a rat he was, and all close calls would go against him (that's how coaches think).

He's a bonehead. No rational person makes up stuff like that up (I'm guessing his team lost, and blames you). Now he tries a little CYA with your boss, figuring that might help him out. A little Jim Joyce-ish weeping, or a sorrowful attempt to smooth things over. Dope. Lying is not "a little carried away".

At least he saved you the trouble of making a second report.

All that said, when you encounter him the next time, don't bring it up, or even acknowledge the event. No tearfilled plate meetings or hugs, either. Just a new game, played by kids, where the adults are the example setters.

Plus, acting like it never happened will freak him out even more.

As for filing a lawsuit, that's nuts. Please, we're above stuff like that, aren't we? Handle your own business.

[bluehair]

Here's a twist that might (probably not) work. Do it golf style. Ask him if he'd like to file the report on myself (saving you the risk/reward of filing the report). Have it explained to him (by an intermediary/your assignor) that maybe it'll go down easier if he reports it himself. If he is sincere about his apology, then he should be willing to take you off the hook by reporting it himself. It would be the honorable thing to do.

Maybe if you heard his response to this suggestion, you could make a better decision on whether or not to file the report.

[CT1]

File the report with your state office. If the coach repeats this violation or causes other problems down the road, they'll have a record of his previous actions.

[johnnyg08]

File the report w/ the league.

That's the process. I know it's easy for me to say on here...but documenting this behavior is important for umpires who work after you.

You are an independent contractor. Your assigner can tell you one thing, but in our state, we have a process for this issues. He can call the assigner, whatever else he wishes, but you still have the right to file an incident report.

If your gut instinct tells you to let it go, then let it go.

Not sure how long you've been officiating, but this type of stuff will always happened the longer you officiate. So you do need to pick your battles.

[MD Longhorn]

If coach and assignor have spoken, I'm not sure you have further to go with this. There's no libel here - you have to PROVE you did not say what he said you said... and I'm sure you had no witnesses in earshot of that conversation. At this point, let it go and move on.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bluehair

I wonder if coach called your assigner before or after he saw his words in the newspaper.

Had to have been after - think!

This kind of call is so much harder than the ones we make on the field. You have a coach that says that he got "a little carried away" and that he was misquoted and you're welcome to come back anytime (probably only if this is far as the issue goes). And an assigner that's on your side, but really hopes you let it lie (that part about the state contacting you if they have an issue is BS, I doubt the state will even hear about this incident if no one files a report). And then you have all us internet umpires (not in your shoes) telling you what you should do.

Sometimes when I F-up a call, I lose sleep over it. Don't let an A-hole like this cause you to lose sleep..

So if you f-up a call you lose sleep but if a coach does he's still an a-hole?

Want to think that through a bit more?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

So if you f-up a call you lose sleep but if a coach does he's still an a-hole?

Want to think that through a bit more?

I'm sure the coaches who are on the wrong end of my f'd-up calls think I'm an a-hole.

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

So if you f-up a call you lose sleep but if a coach does he's still an a-hole?

Want to think that through a bit more?

So just think that coach just made a bad call. Nah, he fabricated a bad call. If you can't distinguish between an umpire making an honest boot of a call and a coach dishonestly lying about what someone said, then you must be...a coach.

Upon further thinking about it, I change my mind, I think he's rat-bastid a-hole. And not worth losing a wink of sleep about.

Originally Posted by Manny A

I'm sure the coaches who are on the wrong end of my f'd-up calls think I'm an a-hole.

You sure would be, if you went to the press and lied about a conversation the two of you had about the call.

[Paul L]

There's a fair amount of room for misinterpretation between what you remember saying, how the coach heard it, what the coach told the reporter, what the reporter heard, and what the reporter wrote. Plus what the coach told your assignor. I would communicate with both the coach and the reporter before assuming that the coach lied through his teeth. If I cared enough, which I probably wouldn't.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Paul L

There's a fair amount of room for misinterpretation between what you remember saying, how the coach heard it, what the coach told the reporter, what the reporter heard, and what the reporter wrote. Plus what the coach told your assignor. I would communicate with both the coach and the reporter before assuming that the coach lied through his teeth. If I cared enough, which I probably wouldn't.

Why would you talk to the coach? That has all kinds of mindfields if the conversation does not go a certain way. And if you say something and he lied before, what makes you think that conversation would not be misrepresented and said to benefit the coach's position?

Peace

[kylejt]

Don't talk to the coach about his press interview. Nothing good can come of it.

He's the dope. Your assignor knows all about. Be Calm, and Carry On.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by bluehair

So just think that coach just made a bad call. Nah, he fabricated a bad call. If you can't distinguish between an umpire making an honest boot of a call and a coach dishonestly lying about what someone said, then you must be...a coach.

Upon further thinking about it, I change my mind, I think he's rat-bastid a-hole. And not worth losing a wink of sleep about.


You sure would be, if you went to the press and lied about a conversation the two of you had about the call.

You didn't get it. Figures.

It was about losing sleep agonizing over a call.

You think coaches don't agonize over their decisions that went south?

You don't get 10% of the grief coaches get. The get it, depending on their level, from some combination of players, parents, league officials, school officials, the press, the TV talking heads, their barber, the convenience store clerk when they go in to buy their beer to cry in, and Billy's Grandmother. Coaches get fired for making too many bad decisions - you just move on to your next game.

Then they see in the news that a supervisor of officials put a bounty on a coach - "in jest" he said - and didn't even get a wrist slap. Dash posts that you should find a way to dump the coach in the OP every time and Ozzy agrees. Vendetta time? Wonderful!

And you think the coach is the one who is out of line?

[bluehair]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

You didn't get it. Figures.

It was about losing sleep agonizing over a call.

You think coaches don't agonize over their decisions that went south?

You don't get 10% of the grief coaches get. The get it, depending on their level, from some combination of players, parents, league officials, school officials, the press, the TV talking heads, their barber, the convenience store clerk when they go in to buy their beer to cry in, and Billy's Grandmother. Coaches get fired for making too many bad decisions - you just move on to your next game.

Then they see in the news that a supervisor of officials put a bounty on a coach - "in jest" he said - and didn't even get a wrist slap. Dash posts that you should find a way to dump the coach in the OP every time and Ozzy agrees. Vendetta time? Wonderful!

And you think the coach is the one who is out of line?

oh, was that what we were talking about? poor misunderstood coaches. Though, that was a fairly respectable rant.