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Old Thu Sep 27, 2012, 07:50am
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Not in this case.

There is no possibility that R2 and only R2 was out. You have to intervene.
Actually, there is if you don't know why he is calling R2 out. Suppose this, even for this play. The ball is deemed to have touched R2 by U2. Do you know that at the time of the play? No. And, if the ball is judged to have touched R2 b/c of U2 being straightlined and losing view of it, how do you know he didn't judge it to be that without asking him?

And, if he did judge it to be that, then R2 is the only one out on it without any intent to interfere. Again, you have NO idea what the call is for and should not be attempting to intervene when you don't know what the call is. And, it is NOT your job to find out what the call is. It is the manager's. If he doesn't do it, then no one does it.
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Old Thu Sep 27, 2012, 09:20am
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Actually, there is if you don't know why he is calling R2 out. Suppose this, even for this play. The ball is deemed to have touched R2 by U2. Do you know that at the time of the play? No. And, if the ball is judged to have touched R2 b/c of U2 being straightlined and losing view of it, how do you know he didn't judge it to be that without asking him?

And, if he did judge it to be that, then R2 is the only one out on it without any intent to interfere. Again, you have NO idea what the call is for and should not be attempting to intervene when you don't know what the call is. And, it is NOT your job to find out what the call is. It is the manager's. If he doesn't do it, then no one does it.
If it hit R2 wouldn't the ball have passed thru or by the fielder in the OP?
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Old Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:04pm
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If it hit R2 wouldn't the ball have passed thru or by the fielder in the OP?
Not while it was still in the air.
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Old Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:48pm
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Not while it was still in the air.
Based on the OP video I have the ball behind the fielder and passed his outstretched glove when the possibility of it hitting the runner exists.
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Old Thu Sep 27, 2012, 08:44pm
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Based on the OP video I have the ball behind the fielder and passed his outstretched glove when the possibility of it hitting the runner exists.
And, that would be judgment and I don't know what I would have called in real time if it did hit him. Mainly, b/c that wasn't part of it and I have this enough times. Have to wait for real time if it happens to me.
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