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In FED, F1 can hang his arm but if it swings, it's a balk (doesn't matter if the ball is in the hand or the glove.
In OBR it's nothing. No, FED still hasn't come to its senses yet!
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The gorilla arm per se is not illegal in OBR, BUT...if the pitcher spins and throws without gaining ground it's a balk. But you knew that.
I only mention it because it was mentioned to me that sometimes a pitcher will have that arm hanging/swinging and the umpire will be so focused on that that he fails to observe the "gaining ground" issue. JJ |
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If they enforced everything to the letter, Mike Mussina balked everytime from the set position.
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I believe the wording is different. OBR says one hand at his side. It doesn't say which one.
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Well, the wording is at least close enough for horse shoes or hand grenades. Does the wording mention the pitching hand? I think we're splitting hairs just a little too fine on this one.
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And, it is not a rule in FED, but an Interpretation, from 2005, that has not made it into the casebook. I have never seen it called.
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6.1.3 SITUATION P: With a runner on first, Team A right-handed pitcher is in the set position, bent at the waist and his pitching arm naturally hangs down slightly in front or to the side away from his body. As he looks to the catcher for a signal, a) the pitcher’s arm is stationary or b) the pitching arm rocks slightly from side to side. RULING: In a), the position of the arm is natural and can be considered by his side in meeting the rule. Any movement would then start the pitch. In b), any movement of the arm is considered the start of the pitching motion and a pitch must be delivered to the plate so this motion results in a balk. |
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In addition, well-coached base runners are watching his feet, not his free arm. |
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A MLB pitcher was balked for this once. He was deemed to have starting to go to his set position
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Sorry, but you're wrong, DG. Cookie posted the case book cite and the gorilla arm is called here in New Haven County, CT all the time. It's one of the most ridiculous rules so to get rid of it, we call it.
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Cookie makes a good cite from case book, but it is still not listed as a rule, and "gorilla arm" was mentioned in a 2005 interpretation, term not seen in a rule or case book since.
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The 2010 NFHS Baseball Rules Changes (B Elliot Hopkins, CAA) has 3 pages (18, 19, 20) clarifying the SET position with regard to the Gorilla Arm, and the word "Gorilla" is specifically mentioned on page 20:
"Rule 6-1-3 Set Position • Umpires must be aware of the position of the pitcher’s feet. There position determines if the pitcher is in either the wind-up or set position. • The “Gorilla” stance is a legal stance of the set position as long as the pitcher’s arm does not swing. If his arm is swinging, this is considered as a means to deceive the batter and runner(s). Rationale: Clarification." |
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