Just when you think you've seen it all

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Good, then you shouldn't have an issue when they cut your Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.

That's a totally different issue. Stick to one issue at a time. The tax has nothing to do with these already installed programs.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

That's a totally different issue. Stick to one issue at a time. The tax has nothing to do with these already installed programs.

Cutting Federal spending on government programs is the same as a tax being levied. Taxes are Federal income. Those are what a budget comprises of.

Where do you think the money comes from in the first place? Taxes!

No wonder America, and it's education system is crumbling. Most can't do sixth grade math. Economics 101.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Cutting Federal spending on government programs is the same as a tax being levied. Taxes are Federal income. Those are what a budget comprises of.

Where do you think the money comes from in the first place? Taxes!

No wonder America, and it's education system is crumbling. Most can't do sixth grade math. Economics 101.

You use fuzzy math. I, meanwhile, just completed an MBA program magna cum laude from a major university last month, so no problem with my math skills at all. Also took micro and macro econ (600 series, not 100) as part of curriculum. Friedman, not Keynes, my friend, is the smarter economist. Oh, the reason education system has been crumbling since 1963, God taken out of classroom replaced by evolutionary theory. Trace it back to that.

[Publius]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Oh, the reason education system has been crumbling since 1963, God taken out of classroom replaced by evolutionary theory. Trace it back to that.

Darn! You'd been doing so well up to that point. Take Logic 100 (no need for a 600-level class on this) to learn that correlation is not causation. For example, I often hear the equally specious argument that the integration of classrooms, which was widely instated around the same time, is the reason.

The education system isn't crumbling at all. Respect for it, however, is.

Boy, this site is SO much more fun without Jenkins around to lock things just as they get interesting.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Publius

Darn! You'd been doing so well up to that point. Take Logic 100 (no need for a 600-level class on this) to learn that correlation is not causation. For example, I often hear the equally specious argument that the integration of classrooms, which was widely instated around the same time, is the reason.

The education system isn't crumbling at all. Respect for it, however, is.

Boy, this site is SO much more fun without Jenkins around to lock things just as they get interesting.

Well, I didn't want to go that deep into it, but there has been a direct correlation between removing God from the classroom thanks to Madalyn Murray O'Hair's lawsuit and the decline in our national test scores, juvenile crime rates, and other maladies in our society. No, correlation does not necessarily equal causation, but distinct parallels can easily be drawn, and cannot be ignored. For example, the U.S. used to be #1 in the OCED testing among teens for Science, but have fell to #29 worldwide. There are far too many problems in society to get into here who's decline can be traced back to the period following 1963. I really don't believe that classroom integration has anything to do with it either. BTW, took Logic in college in 1984. Got an A.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, I didn't want to go that deep into it, but there has been a direct correlation between removing God from the classroom thanks to Madalyn Murray O'Hair's lawsuit and the decline in our national test scores, juvenile crime rates, and other maladies in our society. No, correlation does not necessarily equal causation, but distinct parallels can easily be drawn, and cannot be ignored. For example, the U.S. used to be #1 in the OCED testing among teens for Science, but have fell to #29 worldwide. There are far too many problems in society to get into here who's decline can be traced back to the period following 1963. I really don't believe that classroom integration has anything to do with it either. BTW, took Logic in college in 1984. Got an A.

Uh, no.

I have an MA in Political Science (emphasis on political economy) and one in Criminal Justice. I work in the analysis of crime as a profession. There is no singular negative trend in juvenile crime in the last 50 years, let alone any that can be correlated with an external variable. I can also confidently state that you do not understand Keynesian economics, based off of statements you have made.

Also, since God was never removed from classrooms, your argument is baseless.

[Rich]

It's the educational equivalent of a penis size contest. Hooray!

(I have 2 math degrees and an MBA and, quite frankly, I am unimpressed with my own degrees let alone anyone else's.)

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Matt

Uh, no.

I have an MA in Political Science (emphasis on political economy) and one in Criminal Justice. I work in the analysis of crime as a profession. There is no singular negative trend in juvenile crime in the last 50 years, let alone any that can be correlated with an external variable. I can also confidently state that you do not understand Keynesian economics, based off of statements you have made.

Also, since God was never removed from classrooms, your argument is baseless.

Because I don't subscribe to Keynesian economic theory doesn't mean I don't understand its workings. My Masters of Business Administration certifies that I do indeed understand the basic fundamentals of John Maynard Keynes' brand of macroeconomics, but I consider myself more of a fan of Adam Smith, and ergo Milton Friedman's, monetarist economic teachings. In my limited exposure to what I'm sure you are expert in, I found myself relating better to Friedman than to Keynes.

As far as the Bible in the classroom goes, compulsory reading of the Bible on a daily basis was removed, effectively removing God from the classroom. Spin it any way you want. I have also seen the statistics from that time period and going forward, and there is more than enough evidence to support my claims of a correlation, if not to juvenile crime specifically, to crime and other undesirable results:

The educational standard of measure has been the SAT scores. SAT scores had been steady for many years before 1963. From 1963 they rapidly declined for 18 consecutive years, even though the same test had been used since 1941.

In 1974-75 the rate of decline of the SAT scores decreased, even though they continued to decline. That was when there was an explosion of private religious schools. There were only 1000 Christian schools in 1965. Between 1974 to 1984 they increased to 32,000.

• Before 1963 divorce rates had been declining for 15 years. After 1963 divorces increased 300% each year for the next 15 years.

• Since 1963 unmarried people living together is up 353%

• Since 1963 single parent families are up 140%.

• Since 1963 single parent families with children are up 160%.

• Since 1963 violent crime has increased 544%.

You just can't make this sh*t up.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Well, I didn't want to go that deep into it, but there has been a direct correlation between removing God from the classroom thanks to Madalyn Murray O'Hair's lawsuit and the decline in our national test scores, juvenile crime rates, and other maladies in our society.

And at least 95% of all those who abuse drugs started with mother's milk.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

And at least 95% of all those who abuse drugs started with mother's milk.

If that's the case, life must begin at erection..................