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Old Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:28pm
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No matter how you spin this, it was a cluster. These are clearly some good umpires that got into a very unpleasant situation, one that I am sure we wouldn't wish on anyone. Given that there were no ejections, protests, riots or civil unrest, I would say everyone got out alive.

For one, I am convinced that our mechanics will make or break us, as I believe the judgment was sound on this play. The way the judgement was delivered caused the problems we all have seen.
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Old Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:31pm
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No matter how you spin this, it was a cluster. These are clearly some good umpires that got into a very unpleasant situation, one that I am sure we wouldn't wish on anyone. Given that there were no ejections, protests, riots or civil unrest, I would say everyone got out alive.

For one, I am convinced that our mechanics will make or break us, as I believe the judgment was sound on this play. The way the judgement was delivered caused the problems we all have seen.
I think your post is a great way to sum this up.
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Old Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:13pm
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I think your post is a great way to sum this up.
Like I said earlier, the "no catch" mechanic wasn't necessary. The PU got too mechanic happy.

One time on a close play at the plate, I gave a, "Safe, balls on the ground!" mechanic when the catcher didn't quite control the throw. The defensive coach asked me, "Would he have been out if he held on to the ball?" I thought for a second, said, "Probably not, I was just letting everyone know there wasn't a controlled ball."

It made me ponder, why give something if it's not really necessary. That's why I will never use a "that's nothing" signal (?) if I have nothing to call.

Like I said earlier, overkill on the mechanics.
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"Probably not, I was just letting everyone know there wasn't a controlled ball."
For the sake of discussion is it possible that you simply incorrectly used a good mechanic?
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For the sake of discussion is it possible that you simply incorrectly used a good mechanic?
THAT, my friend, is the million dollar question!
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Old Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:26am
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For the sake of discussion is it possible that you simply incorrectly used a good mechanic?
I didn't say it was a bad mechanic, it just not have been proper in the situation. Perhaps he wanted to know so he could discuss it with his catcher.
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Old Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:21pm
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No matter how you spin this, it was a cluster. These are clearly some good umpires that got into a very unpleasant situation, one that I am sure we wouldn't wish on anyone. Given that there were no ejections, protests, riots or civil unrest, I would say everyone got out alive.

For one, I am convinced that our mechanics will make or break us, as I believe the judgment was sound on this play. The way the judgement was delivered caused the problems we all have seen.
Good points, but sometimes especially in a "big game" situation, you just have to umpire.

The reaction of F2 on the plays tells you as PU that he made the tag. He would have known if he did NOT tag him and reacted accordingly. He also is seen looking at the PU for confirmation. The BR reacts the same way then runs to 1st thinking it was ball 4.

I'm sure that the other umpires had no clue as to whether a tag was made or not and probably were not even looking at that play.

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Old Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:27pm
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Given that there were no ejections, protests, riots or civil unrest, I would say everyone got out alive.
The baseball gods reserved that for the other site of this tournament.
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Old Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:59am
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The baseball gods reserved that for the other site of this tournament.
Just currious, what happened over at Dunning Field(or during the title game at Target Field) I'm just curious.
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Just currious, what happened over at Dunning Field(or during the title game at Target Field) I'm just curious.
There were some shenanigans...
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Old Thu Jun 21, 2012, 07:12am
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(or during the title game at Target Field) I'm just curious.
I was at Target Field for AA and AAA...I did see much out of the ordinary.
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