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Old Sun Jun 17, 2012, 12:22am
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I'd hold off a long while. This is a sore subject right now.
After watching this MLB video,

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | KC@STL: Matheny tossed as umps overturn triple play - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia
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Old Sun Jun 17, 2012, 10:23pm
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I'd hold off a long while. This is a sore subject right now.
A long while...unless I can get the same info through another party...I'm not doing it to disparage anybody, but these guys are solid umpires (I know two of the three) it just doesn't make any sense that something like this would happened in one of their games. No sense at all.

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Old Mon Jun 18, 2012, 01:33am
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I don't know why he thought he had to give the "no catch" signal. It was very obvious the ball was in the dirt. Overkill, IMO.
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2012, 02:22am
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I don't know why he thought he had to give the "no catch" signal. It was very obvious the ball was in the dirt. Overkill, IMO.
I agree, and it might have helped lead to the confusion that ensued. I only use the "no catch" when it's a trapped ball and not obvious to everyone that the ball is down.
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2012, 05:54am
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I agree, and it might have helped lead to the confusion that ensued. I only use the "no catch" when it's a trapped ball and not obvious to everyone that the ball is down.
Disagree: it is not always obvious to EVERYONE that the catcher failed to catch the pitch legally. Often the BATTER does not know, which is crucial.

The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a tag. I see the catcher touch the batter with his bare hand, but it appears the ball is in the glove. Perhaps that is what was appealed.
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2012, 08:21am
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The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.
I agree.

This play is just...unfortunate.
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2012, 08:39am
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a tag. I see the catcher touch the batter with his bare hand, but it appears the ball is in the glove. Perhaps that is what was appealed.
Mike, watch it full screen, HD if you can. He tagged him with the ball.
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Disagree: it is not always obvious to EVERYONE that the catcher failed to catch the pitch legally. Often the BATTER does not know, which is crucial.

The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.
Exactly. This was supposed to be the big 'takeaway' from La Affaire Eddings.
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2012, 01:12pm
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Mike, watch it full screen, HD if you can. He tagged him with the ball.
OK, will do when I get home to a better resolution monitor. Can't see the ball on that video here at work.
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Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2012, 03:24pm
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Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?
It is possible, but not permissible.
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2012, 03:34pm
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Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?
To borrow a phrase from Mr. Hochuli...

"By Rule..." No, this is not appealable.
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This situation happened to me during a game, while working solo, and the batter failed to check his swing and I was asked to get help from my 'partner'. I, completely in jest, pointed toward first and asked (to no one in particular), "Did he NOT go?"...
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Old Mon Jun 18, 2012, 06:56pm
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Disagree: it is not always obvious to EVERYONE that the catcher failed to catch the pitch legally. Often the BATTER does not know, which is crucial.

The standard mechanic, to signal and verbalize "no catch," is proper, even if it's obvious to everyone else. And even where the batter turns and looks, communicating your ruling clearly and decisively cannot hurt where players must make quick decisions.
Why was the batter taking his eyes away from the ball? He missed the pitch, so why wasn't he tracking the pitch to the mitt/ground? Whenever I would strike out swinging, I checked to see if the catcher hung on to the ball.
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