Strange(False)Ending in MInnesota 3A semi-final

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Mike, watch it full screen, HD if you can. He tagged him with the ball.

OK, will do when I get home to a better resolution monitor. Can't see the ball on that video here at work.

[RPatrino]

Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?

It is possible, but not permissible.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RPatrino

Just out of curiosity, is it possible, per rule, to appeal a swinging third strike call?

To borrow a phrase from Mr. Hochuli...

"By Rule..." No, this is not appealable.

[RPatrino]

This situation happened to me during a game, while working solo, and the batter failed to check his swing and I was asked to get help from my 'partner'. I, completely in jest, pointed toward first and asked (to no one in particular), "Did he NOT go?"...

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

OK, will do when I get home to a better resolution monitor. Can't see the ball on that video here at work.

OK, I did so. I see no ball in the catcher's hand.

[CT1]

Verbalizing "no catch" after the point & "he went" is the accepted mechanic in these parts. The batter should be able to hear that.

I'd really like to know why this was overturned. If I were the defensive coach, I'd been on my way to the bus after that.

[johnnyg08]

The issue that caused the drama dealt with whether or not there was a tag.

With the benefit of the video, there's no question that there WAS a tag BUT the umpires didn't have the luxury of the video.

After the conference the umpires determined that no umpire called the batter/runner out on a tag, the batter runner reached 1b, so they placed him at 1b.

That's the scoop folks.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

The issue that caused the drama dealt with whether or not there was a tag.

With the benefit of the video, there's no question that there WAS a tag BUT the umpires didn't have the luxury of the video.

After the conference the umpires determined that no umpire called the batter/runner out on a tag, the batter runner reached 1b, so they placed him at 1b.

That's the scoop folks.

Once you determine the pitch was not caught, which he knew it wasn't, all you have to worry about is tag/no tag. I don't see how you could not have a tag here, especially since after the catcher tagged him he took off running to his teammates. Also, what did the PU signal after the catcher turned around and looked at him? After the tag, the catcher started to point at first base, then starts celebrating. It looks like the PU may have given an out mechanic.

The ball was in the catcher's hand. If you pause it at about the 8 second mark you can see white inside his hand. Also, you can tell he is pulling the ball out of his mitt after he blocks the pitch.

Edit: How did neither BU see the catcher tag the batter? U1 has nothing else going on here. When they got together, he should have stepped up and told the PU there was a tag.

[johnnyg08]

Not sure but that's what went down. Those are the facts of the situation.

With the benefit of the video, it is obvious that there was a tag. But according to my sources there was never an official "out" mechanic. As for what the base umpires were doing or watching...I can't speak for that, but I can tell you that they didn't see a tag for 100% or they would've called him out.

[CT1]

Once again we get ourselves into hot water because of poor mechanics.

When F2 attempted a tag, if PU didn't see a tag he should have signalled and verbalized "No tag!" This would have let everyone know what the status of the BR was.