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Old Fri May 25, 2012, 01:10pm
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Why don't you explain it then, everyone who posted says it isn't obstruction because the runner wasn't hindered, that is not the only restriction to this rule.

To me "changes the pattern of play" would be something out of the ordinary flow of the game. This bush league BS, is not customary nor usual pattern of play in my book.
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Why don't you explain it then, everyone who posted says it isn't obstruction because the runner wasn't hindered, that is not the only restriction to this rule.

To me "changes the pattern of play" would be something out of the ordinary flow of the game. This bush league BS, is not customary nor usual pattern of play in my book.
Pattern of play, in my view, means changing a play that is already in progress. In the case of egging a runner to attempt a steal or advance, the play has not begun yet, so this is legal. However, if a runner is already running, or in movement, any action that causes him to advance or retreat is altering the pattern of play.
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Doesn't the play begin once the umpire says play ball?
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Doesn't the play begin once the umpire says play ball?
No. "A PLAY" has a definition.
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Doesn't the play begin once the umpire says play ball?
First off, this was a freakin' MOVIE!!! You are basing a ruling on what you saw in a work of fiction?

Second off, what the pitcher in the movie did was a balk, since he faked a throw to first base while engaged to the pitcher's plate. So, again, it's a MOVIE!!!

The course of the play in 2-22-1 begins when the runner is advancing to or returning from a base during a play. The ball is made live when an umpire calls play, and remains in play until the ball becomes dead again. This does not indicate the start of any particular play.
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First off, this was a freakin' MOVIE!!! You are basing a ruling on what you saw in a work of fiction?

Second off, what the pitcher in the movie did was a balk, since he faked a throw to first base while engaged to the pitcher's plate. So, again, it's a MOVIE!!!

The course of the play in 2-22-1 begins when the runner is advancing to or returning from a base during a play. The ball is made live when an umpire calls play, and remains in play until the ball becomes dead again. This does not indicate the start of any particular play.
Thank you for posting this - it saved me from blowing my freaking top! What idiot would base rules from a movie?
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Say it ain't so!! Lindsay Nielson in Naked Gun ISN'T a training video??
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Say it ain't so!! Lindsay Nielson in Naked Gun ISN'T a training video??
Or his cousin Leslie either!
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bigjohn,
There is a case play that covers the OP, and it certainly doesn't support the notion that defense's actions in the OP would "Change the course of play".

6.2.4 SITUATION E: With R1 on second base, F1 wheels and fakes a throw to second on a pickoff attempt. As R1 dives back to the base, F4 and F6 run into short center field as if chasing an errant throw. R1 seeing this, takes off for third base where he is thrown out by F1. RULING: This is legal and is not considered unsportsmanlike conduct. R1’s base coaches have the responsibility to keep R1 informed.
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Thank you for posting this - it saved me from blowing my freaking top! What idiot would base rules from a movie?
Hey Ozzy...your posts always remind me of Yosemite Sam when he blows his stack! The Looney Tunes Show: Merrie Melodies - "Blow My Stack" - YouTube
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Careful, or someone will send that link to his local umpire association as a training video.
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Hey Ozzy...your posts always remind me of Yosemite Sam when he blows his stack! The Looney Tunes Show: Merrie Melodies - "Blow My Stack" - YouTube
ROTFALMAO!!

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First off, this was a freakin' MOVIE!!! You are basing a ruling on what you saw in a work of fiction?

Second off, what the pitcher in the movie did was a balk, since he faked a throw to first base while engaged to the pitcher's plate. So, again, it's a MOVIE!!!

The course of the play in 2-22-1 begins when the runner is advancing to or returning from a base during a play. The ball is made live when an umpire calls play, and remains in play until the ball becomes dead again. This does not indicate the start of any particular play.
It's not really fiction. The movie is based on the Miami play. Hell, Miami even had the groundskeepers involved prtetending to get out of the way.
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Just posted the video as a funny. I see a case play now and I am satisfied. I never said it was anything, I am not an official and was just asking questions.
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