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The runner did not yet have possession of his base, he had merely touched it. Similar to a runner at first not having his balance on pick-off attempt to the point the tag knocks him off. The fielder did not exert exceptional force to knock him off second. They were both doing their job and experienced incidental contact. While losing contact with second, the runner was tagged. This is roughly the way such a play is explained at proschool, or at least was a little over ten years ago. BTW, why the sad face? I don't remember ever having issues with you before. |
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Not a chance I have an out on this. While the contact was accidental, it wasn't incidental. F4 knocked the runner off the base. Like was mentioned earlier, I think calling this an out just invites the defense to charge hard on a close tag play and just play through the runner. The runner is going to be knocked off the base the vast majority of the time. Bad precedent to set.
Then again, I'm not working in the big leagues, so YMMV. Last edited by ILRef80; Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:58pm. |
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![]() If you rule the contact incidental, then I'd agree that the out would stand. But in my judgment, the runner was moving TOWARD the base, and the force of the collision drove him AWAY from the base. That's not loss of balance. To me, that's different from a runner being off balance and the normal force of a tag making him lose contact with the base. No problem getting the out on that play. What's odd here is the lack of rules support. Even for the play where a fielder walks up and INTENTIONALLY shoves a runner off his base — a runner just standing there — there's no rules support for nullifying the out. You could call it unsportsmanlike, but then somebody has to be ejected (and in the meantime there's STILL no rule permitting you to nullify the out).
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He is then knocked off with what instructors would call playing action, not an intentional shove or even an extra hard tag. There may no be word for word description of this in the rules, but there is plenty of accepted precedence. |
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"Cross body block"? No. The fielder fell while making a normal baseball move. He did not throw a block. Runner is out at MLB level. |
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2) the thing that knocked him off the bag was the body block that looked more at home in a hockey or football game than in the game of baseball. If the tag had knocked him off the base, I would agree with the out call. What's to stop all fielders from diving into runners after they're already called safe, just to get a cheap, undeserved out. This practice needs to be reevaluated, IMO.
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I don't see a trip. I see a charge into the runner.
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