Dale Scott calls a ball foul then fair

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by jicecone

If your suggesting that it aint nutting until the umpire calls it,

YOUR DAM RIGHT.

Even my weinersnouser knows dat.

You're right. I AM saying that. I'm saying that signaling "dead ball" is the same as calling "dead ball" which is the same as when a batter swings and misses at strike three and the PU merely signals the "strike/out" is the same as calling "strike three" without saying "Steeeriiiike Three, Batter's Out!!"

To borrow from the late Mike Wallace, "C'mon!"

Look, we're in the communication business. Our mechanics are a major part of our communication. Dale Scott called a "dead ball/foul ball" once he signaled such.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

You're right. I AM saying that. I'm saying that signaling "dead ball" is the same as calling "dead ball" which is the same as when a batter swings and misses at strike three and the PU merely signals the "strike/out" is the same as calling "strike three" without saying "Steeeriiiike Three, Batter's Out!!"

To borrow from the late Mike Wallace, "C'mon!"

Look, we're in the communication business. Our mechanics are a major part of our communication. Dale Scott called a "dead ball/foul ball" once he signaled such.

Who calls "dead ball"? It's either "FOUL" or "TIME". This isn't softball.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

Who calls "dead ball"? It's either "FOUL" or "TIME". This isn't softball.

1) That signal is a "dead ball" signal. If that's what you've signaled, that's what you've called.

2) If a batter chops one that comes up and hits him but the PU is blocked and doesn't see it, do you as the BU call "foul!" or do you call "Dead!" As for me, I'll call "dead!" It's my partner's responsibility to know if the batter was still in the box, or not and, therefore, is his "foul" call, not mine.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

1) That signal is a "dead ball" signal. If that's what you've signaled, that's what you've called.

2) If a batter chops one that comes up and hits him but the PU is blocked and doesn't see it, do you as the BU call "foul!" or do you call "Dead!" As for me, I'll call "dead!" It's my partner's responsibility to know if the batter was still in the box, or not and, therefore, is his "foul" call, not mine.

I've never heard anyone call "Dead!". I've heard "Dead Ball!" but that's universally past it's days. Now, it's either "Time!" or "Foul!". "Time" is proper, "Foul!" is accepted, remembering that it may not actaully be a foul ball, as part of the box is in fair territory. Plus, the runner can have one foot still in the box, the ball hit him over fair territory, and still not be out for INT.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by kylejt

...universally past it's days...

Ouch! Now you're making me feel like an old dog.

Teach me a new trick, then. Are you saying that a batted ball chopped at the plate that comes up and hits the batter unseen by the PU results in the BU calling "Time"? If so, in what levels is that being taught?

It's an interesting idea. I've never heard of not using "Dead" or "Dead Ball." What's the rationale? Is it merely to delineate a distinction between baseball and softball?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Perhaps you're right at the college or pro level. Since I don't work those levels, I won't dispute what you're saying. I can tell you that it is a "dead ball" (as well as "time" and "foul") signal at the NFHS level.



But my point remains the same, if you've signaled it, you've called it.

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Ouch! Now you're making me feel like an old dog.

Teach me a new trick, then. Are you saying that a batted ball chopped at the plate that comes up and hits the batter unseen by the PU results in the BU calling "Time"? If so, in what levels is that being taught?

It's an interesting idea. I've never heard of not using "Dead" or "Dead Ball." What's the rationale? Is it merely to delineate a distinction between baseball and softball?

The calls make the ball dead, but we don't call "Dead Ball." We don't say "Dead Ball" anymore. It used to be used for a HBP or a ball going into DBT, many, many years ago, but it went out of favor, mostly due to wiseacre clinicians who would perform a funeral for the ball if you said, "Dead ball" instead of "Time." Personally, I don't see what all the fuss was ever about, except clinicians trying to look really smart and be funny in clinics.

In your example of the ball coming up and hitting the batter still in the box, the proper call for the PU has ALWAYS been "Foul." The BU calls "Time" when he sees the ball bounce up and hit the batter, and kills the ball (making it dead ) and lets the PU decide whether or not the batter was still in the box, making it a foul (or an out if batter was out of the box).

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

If a batter chops one that comes up and hits him but the PU is blocked and doesn't see it, do you as the BU call "foul!" or do you call "Dead!" As for me, I'll call "dead!" It's my partner's responsibility to know if the batter was still in the box, or not and, therefore, is his "foul" call, not mine.

I call "TIME!"

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by yawetag

I call "TIME!"

Hmmm ... looks like I need to change my mechanic on this one. As SDSteve pointed out, I don't know what the big deal is. All it takes is somebody of authority to have a pet peeve over something as trivial as "dead ball" vs. "time", and the next thing you know a new "proper" mechanic is born.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Hmmm ... looks like I need to change my mechanic on this one. As SDSteve pointed out, I don't know what the big deal is. All it takes is somebody of authority to have a pet peeve over something as trivial as "dead ball" vs. "time", and the next thing you know a new "proper" mechanic is born.

For the record I say, "Dead" when I use that signal. But I would not use the signal without saying something. Actually if only which way we point mattered, what would you do if someone pointed a ball fair, but for some reason got turned around and pointed in foul territory? Would we consider that a signaling of a foul ball and then kill the play? The reason I ask because years ago I did jut that when a ball almost hit me and I got turned around and very briefly signaled in the wrong direction.

Peace

[gordon30307]

I take comfort in the fact that the best of the best screw up. Hey we're all human and make mistakes. Good calls or bad calls there just part of the game. When I get yelled at for my call of a wacker at first or a call I make on a pitch I remind myself the guys in the Show get yelled at as well and I put it behind me.