Dale Scott calls a ball foul then fair

[MikeStrybel]

That looks like he called "Time".

[jwwashburn]

It is hard to tell from the video but, I think there was a decent chance that the ball WAS foul.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

It is hard to tell from the video but, I think there was a decent chance that the ball WAS foul.

You might be right...only Scott and F2 know for sure.

If that's the case, and we don't know for sure, call the foul ball which is what he signaled anyway.

I can't believe his three partners would let him fall on the sword like that. We don't know what they talked about in their huddle, for all we know maybe they told him that they saw his foul call and he said that he was going to eat it. We just don't know.

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by jicecone

He backed off and came up with his hands but didn't signal anything until he called fair ball. Quit trying to make things up here. He NEVER pointed out the the initial call was foul.
And he for dam sure didn't (with emphais) did not, signal time!!!!!!

What are you guys smoking?

See screen shot.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

Some of you guys are smoking some really good stuff. If that's not a "foul" mechanic after the "startled" look, I don't know what is. Scott should have manned up and owned his mistake on the field vs. changing the game w/ a triple play.

This is not meant to be disparaging by any means, but it is what it is. I've made the same mistake before (where he holds up his hands as if to get out of the way)...but this is a pretty clear "foul" mechanic.

What's he getting out of the way of? He's darn near 3BLX on the edge of the dirt circle. He was probably calling it foul, and then the ball rolled back into fair territory. Screwed the pooch big time, I'd say. Man up, Dale!

[kylejt]

The PU made a mechanical error. It happens. Heck, in all the excitement, he may not of even known he did that. I get that.

But he had three base umpire who had a wide angle view of the whole thing, and should have killed it. Those are the guys I blame for not fixing this mess.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jicecone

He backed off and came up with his hands but didn't signal anything until he called fair ball. Quit trying to make things up here. He NEVER pointed out the the initial call was foul.
And he for dam sure didn't (with emphais) did not, signal time!!!!!!

What are you guys smoking?

Completely smoke free at the moment - and it's pretty clear that he raised both of his hands in the air. If I'm a runner, I'm definitely interpreting that as a dead ball signal.

[BSUmp16]

Originally Posted by MikeStrybel

That looks like he called "Time".

Raising your hands is not "calling time" There are all kinds of reasons why he may have raised his hands. Calling "Time" requires a verbal statement:

5.10 The ball becomes dead when an umpire calls “Time.” The umpire-in-chief shall
call “Time”—

Two things - 1) raising the hands was confusing, but 2)the Padres played it out, the Dodgers didn't. You always gotta play it out.

[jicecone]

The first video I saw did'nt show this however after studying the MLB video it looks to me like he brought his hand up and then went further to make a fair call signal. I am not saying what he did looked good but as already pointed out it is nothing until "Time " is called. The picture is incriminating but does not tell the whole story. Good try though.

The runners were just as surprised and confused as everyone else so what is unusal with the fact that they are going to blame their confusion on the official.

Triple Play

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by jicecone

The runners were just as surprised and confused as everyone else so what is unusal with the fact that they are going to blame their confusion on the official.

Yes, they were surprised and confused- because the umpire gave a surprising and confusing signal!

If he had just pointed fair in the first place, without all of the arms in the air stuff, do you think the runners would have still been confused?

[kylejt]

Here's what I see:

The PU's hands go up as a reaction to F2 looking for the ball.

THEN, his hands jump up in emphisis, and that's what nearly everyone sees as him calling TIME.

[blueump]

I was watching the game live on MLB when it happened. My initial reaction was the same as the offensive team..he called it foul.

They then replayed it (of course) over and over again from multiple angles. I came away with this conclusion.

Initially his hands went up with closed fists appearing as if he were trying to not be hit with the ball. That action in itself confused me, since the ball clearly came off the bat and was no where near him.

It then appeared that he began to drop his hands, but then changed his mind and clearly and deliberately raised them up above his head as if he were calling a dead ball.

A split second latter he realized where the ball was and pointed fair. Then, almost as if he realized he had made a terrible mistake, he emphatically pointed fair multiple times - trying to "sell" the call.

I personally don't think it would have made a difference either way. Those that argue the base runners only returned because of the hands up are completely wrong...there is no way they could have made it to the next base in time. I do however believe that putting his hands up to call time should have killed the play immediately and he should have sucked it up and admitted he made a mistake. We don't expect them to be perfect, we do however expect them to have integrity! That is something he apparently doesn't have.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by kylejt

here's what i see:

The pu's hands go up as a reaction to f2 looking for the ball.

Then, his hands jump up in emphisis, and that's what nearly everyone sees as him calling time.

+1

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

Raising your hands is not "calling time" There are all kinds of reasons why he may have raised his hands. Calling "Time" requires a verbal statement:

5.10 The ball becomes dead when an umpire calls “Time.” The umpire-in-chief shall
call “Time”—

Two things - 1) raising the hands was confusing, but 2)the Padres played it out, the Dodgers didn't. You always gotta play it out.

Aww ... c'mon.
Rule 2.00 also says:
A STRIKE is a legal pitch when so called by the umpire, which—
(a) Is struck at by the batter and is missed;
(b) Is not struck at, if any part of the ball passes through any part of the strike zone;
(c) Is fouled by the batter when he has less than two strikes;
(d) Is bunted foul;
(e) Touches the batter as he strikes at it;
(f) Touches the batter in flight in the strike zone; or
(g) Becomes a foul tip.

So using your logic, if the batter swings and misses and the umpire doesn't actually call "strike", it doesn't count as a strike?

You might be sellin', but I ain't buyin'. Scott clearly signaled "time" which is the same as calling "time".

(I've got no dog in this fight. I'm a Cubs fan. Come to think of it ... I guess that means I have no dog an any fight.)

[David B]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Yes, they were surprised and confused- because the umpire gave a surprising and confusing signal!

If he had just pointed fair in the first place, without all of the arms in the air stuff, do you think the runners would have still been confused?

But these are MLB players. You should know to run on everything like that. You can always return if its called foul.

I know as PU, I've done the same thing trying to get out of the way of the F2 etc., it looks like a type of signal, but if he didn't say anything then its play on.

For sure, F2 didn't hear anything and made the play as he should have. If PU had called foul, time, or dead ball, F2 would have heard it for sure.

Thanks
David