Dale Scott calls a ball foul then fair

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by David B

But these are MLB players. You should know to run on everything like that. You can always return if its called foul.

I know as PU, I've done the same thing trying to get out of the way of the F2 etc., it looks like a type of signal, but if he didn't say anything then its play on.

For sure, F2 didn't hear anything and made the play as he should have. If PU had called foul, time, or dead ball, F2 would have heard it for sure.

Thanks
David

Sure, you run on anything... until it's called foul. Which it appeared to be ... which is why they stopped!

[Steven Tyler]

The kick is up, and it's good.

I remember during the All Star game in St. Louis, Dana Demuth (PU) gave the basketball 20 second time out signal on a foul ball down in deep left field.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by David B

But these are MLB players. You should know to run on everything like that. You can always return if its called foul.

I know as PU, I've done the same thing trying to get out of the way of the F2 etc., it looks like a type of signal, but if he didn't say anything then its play on.

For sure, F2 didn't hear anything and made the play as he should have. If PU had called foul, time, or dead ball, F2 would have heard it for sure.

Thanks
David

You freeze on a line drive until it clears the infielders - you don't always run.

F2 had his back to the umpire - no way he could see a signal. Trouble is, the others could.

This ain't legion with 27 folks scattered about the park. In a MLB stadium full of noisy fans. You have to depend on seeing signals - because you can't always hear them.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Aww ... c'mon.
Rule 2.00 also says:
A STRIKE is a legal pitch when so called by the umpire, which—
(a) Is struck at by the batter and is missed;
(b) Is not struck at, if any part of the ball passes through any part of the strike zone;
(c) Is fouled by the batter when he has less than two strikes;
(d) Is bunted foul;
(e) Touches the batter as he strikes at it;
(f) Touches the batter in flight in the strike zone; or
(g) Becomes a foul tip.

So using your logic, if the batter swings and misses and the umpire doesn't actually call "strike", it doesn't count as a strike?

You might be sellin', but I ain't buyin'. Scott clearly signaled "time" which is the same as calling "time".

(I've got no dog in this fight. I'm a Cubs fan. Come to think of it ... I guess that means I have no dog an any fight.)

If your suggesting that it aint nutting until the umpire calls it,

YOUR DAM RIGHT.

Even my weinersnouser knows dat.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by BSUmp16

Raising your hands is not "calling time" There are all kinds of reasons why he may have raised his hands. Calling "Time" requires a verbal statement:

5.10 The ball becomes dead when an umpire calls “Time.” The umpire-in-chief shall
call “Time”—

Two things - 1) raising the hands was confusing, but 2)the Padres played it out, the Dodgers didn't. You always gotta play it out.

Now you are being confusing, because it actually was the Dodgers played it out and the Padres didn't.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by jicecone

If your suggesting that it aint nutting until the umpire calls it,

YOUR DAM RIGHT.

Even my weinersnouser knows dat.

Yup, it wasn't nothin' till Scott called it Foul. You are right. Then it became a foul at that time. How it mysteriously became fair again, only Dale can tell you. You can't put the crap back in the horse, but I guess you can in this case.

[johnnyg08]

I can't believe so many of you are pretending like there aren't any issues with him putting his hands up (not initially) but then in the screen shot that is a foul, time mechanic. Call it what you want, but it ain't nothing. Nobody's on here is saying that we're perfect, but to blindly defend a major error is scary. I know for a fact that I've put my arms up like I'm trying to get out of the way and it has never burned me before...but I'm learning from this and keeping my hands down for sure.

I think w/ 4 of them out there, they could've called it foul and stuck with what he called and they would've been okay.

[SAWolf]

Ok, for a second put yourself behind the plate...

The batter jumps out to bunt.
The pitch heads towards the batters head.
The batter to avoid wearing it, jumps back and you hear a thwack!
The batter heads off toward the dugout like he has been hit. You think he has been hit so start to raise your arms to call dead ball and glance at your crew (Our local mechanics say when a player gets hit all field umps that saw it signal as it is often difficult to see from behind)
Your crew is not signalling dead ball so you realize it didn't hit him (he is just acting like it did) just as you finish opening your fists for the 'dead ball' and you see the catcher pick the ball up just in front of home plate (foul - is based on where it settles so it isn't foul)

If he had not opened his hands and instead dropped them to his side would the play have been that different? Did the runners react to the umpire or their batter?

Watch it again at normal speed...

[BSUmp16]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Now you are being confusing, because it actually was the Dodgers played it out and the Padres didn't.

OOPS! The Dodger's hustled (and this from a died-in-the-wool Giant's fan)

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by johnnyg08

I can't believe so many of you are pretending like there aren't any issues with him putting his hands up (not initially) but then in the screen shot that is a foul, time mechanic. Call it what you want, but it ain't nothing. Nobody's on here is saying that we're perfect, but to blindly defend a major error is scary. I know for a fact that I've put my arms up like I'm trying to get out of the way and it has never burned me before...but I'm learning from this and keeping my hands down for sure.

I think w/ 4 of them out there, they could've called it foul and stuck with what he called and they would've been okay.

Oh there were definite issues with him putting his hands up and we may never no exactly why but, maybe , just maybe he stuck with what he had because in his mind that was the right call. Maybe by now he also sees how bad it looked but, at that time though, with all his experience, and in his mind, the right decision was made and that is why he stuck with it.

I am given him the benefit of the doubt here because of the professional he is. I also realize that he just may have screwed the pooch and didn't want to come clean but .............. I find it hard to believe he got where he is being that devious all the time.

[David B]

Originally Posted by jicecone

If your suggesting that it aint nutting until the umpire calls it,

YOUR DAM RIGHT.

Even my weinersnouser knows dat.

LOL, i like that and its so true.

Thanks
David

[David B]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Oh there were definite issues with him putting his hands up and we may never no exactly why but, maybe , just maybe he stuck with what he had because in his mind that was the right call. Maybe by now he also sees how bad it looked but, at that time though, with all his experience, and in his mind, the right decision was made and that is why he stuck with it.

I am given him the benefit of the doubt here because of the professional he is. I also realize that he just may have screwed the pooch and didn't want to come clean but .............. I find it hard to believe he got where he is being that devious all the time.

And the fact that there are three other umpires who called "nothing" tells me that it was NOT that obvious in real time what he had. (they were probably confused also)

He was left on his own, he made the call, and as they say "now its over but the cryin',

thanks
David

[johnnyg08]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Oh there were definite issues with him putting his hands up and we may never no exactly why but, maybe , just maybe he stuck with what he had because in his mind that was the right call. Maybe by now he also sees how bad it looked but, at that time though, with all his experience, and in his mind, the right decision was made and that is why he stuck with it.

I am given him the benefit of the doubt here because of the professional he is. I also realize that he just may have screwed the pooch and didn't want to come clean but .............. I find it hard to believe he got where he is being that devious all the time.

You have made several excellent points here.

[kylejt]

I'm all for the base umpires letting things play out, and calling outs in real time.

But when the dust settled, they had to have seen their PU gesture TIME!, and should have told him so.

[JRutledge]

All I can say is it matters to me what came out of his mouth. I can see how players might react to initial actions of the umpire, but if they did not hear anything they need to act like a ball is live. They also could have been reacting to the batter, which they act like is the case in other situations.

Peace