Proper mechanics - FED obstruction

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I find it hard to believe that anybody would mistake the NFHS Delayed Dead Ball Signal for the Outsignal.

I am not computer literate enough to post pictures of the two signals but if one goes to the Page 36 of the 2011 and 2012 NFHS Baseball Umpires Manual one will see that the Delayed Dead Ball Signal (Signal D) is given with the Left Arm and Fist held straight out from the shoulder parallel to the ground, while the Out Signal (Signal E) is given with the Right Arm (perpendicular to the ground) and Fist held up above the Umpire's head. The signals are completely different in look, and even though I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other I can tell the difference.

The Umpire just has to momentarily give the DDB Signal while pointing with his Right hand toward where the Obstruction occured while saying (load enough for the players involved): "That's obsturction." Nothing more needs to be said except for Safe or Out on the play. He should not say play on becuase he has not said anything that would cause the ball to become dead such as: Dead Ball!! or Time!! or Foul Ball!! Players should know that they should continue to play until they here one of those three phrases, to say "Play On" is coaching.

RBMartin: Yes you should make a decision as to whether F2 tagged R1 out at HP. That does not stop play. Since you had Obstruction, you will call Time after all play as ceased, in your case, the Out on B2/R2 at 2B, and then award R1 HP for F2's Obstruction.

MTD, Sr.

[rbmartin]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

RBMartin: Yes you should make a decision as to whether F2 tagged R1 out at HP. That does not stop play. Since you had Obstruction, you will call Time after all play as ceased, in your case, the Out on B2/R2 at 2B, and then award R1 HP for F2's Obstruction.

MTD, Sr.

My question was do I signal that (irrelevant) decision or is my only visable signal the DDB?
I'm certainly not killing the play until all action is completed.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

My question was do I signal that (irrelevant) decision or is my only visable signal the DDB?
I'm certainly not killing the play until all action is completed.

Yes, call R1 out from the tag by F2 and signal the out also, but nothing more until after all play has stopped, and in your case that was the tag out at 2B on B2/R2.

MTD, Sr.

[PeteBooth]

I would not call R2 out at the plate. I would signal safe

Why!

Suppose there were 2 outs and "other" runners on base as in this case. Once you signal out and it is the third out, play stops.

It is much easier to explain to the defense why you signalled the runner safe even though F2 appled the tag then it is to try and unravel the mess that follows after you called an obstructed runner out and it was the third out.

Pete Booth

[dash_riprock]

I would just call the obstruction. R2 is not safe (yet). He still must touch the plate to complete his award.

After the out at 2nd, call time, announce the obstruction pointing at F2 (again) then point at R2 and say "you, score."

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by rbmartin

My question was do I signal that (irrelevant) decision or is my only visable signal the DDB?
I'm certainly not killing the play until all action is completed.

I use the Bob Jenkins method: I give the DDB signal, then drop it. I don't run around the field with my fist out.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I find it hard to believe that anybody would mistake the NFHS Delayed Dead Ball Signal for the Outsignal.

I am not computer literate enough to post pictures of the two signals but if one goes to the Page 36 of the 2011 and 2012 NFHS Baseball Umpires Manual one will see that the Delayed Dead Ball Signal (Signal D) is given with the Left Arm and Fist held straight out from the shoulder parallel to the ground, while the Out Signal (Signal E) is given with the Right Arm (perpendicular to the ground) and Fist held up above the Umpire's head. The signals are completely different in look, and even though I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other I can tell the difference.

The Umpire just has to momentarily give the DDB Signal while pointing with his Right hand toward where the Obstruction occured while saying (load enough for the players involved): "That's obsturction." Nothing more needs to be said except for Safe or Out on the play. He should not say play on becuase he has not said anything that would cause the ball to become dead such as: Dead Ball!! or Time!! or Foul Ball!! Players should know that they should continue to play until they here one of those three phrases, to say "Play On" is coaching.

RBMartin: Yes you should make a decision as to whether F2 tagged R1 out at HP. That does not stop play. Since you had Obstruction, you will call Time after all play as ceased, in your case, the Out on B2/R2 at 2B, and then award R1 HP for F2's Obstruction.

MTD, Sr.

I only use that stupid DDB signal when I'm professional wrestling and I want to clothesline my opponent.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

I only use that stupid DDB signal when I'm professional wrestling and I want to clothesline my opponent.

Not to be confused with the DDT:

The Top Ten DDT Variations in Wrestling History - YouTube

[Rich]

Originally Posted by yawetag

Not to be confused with the DDT:

The Top Ten DDT Variations in Wrestling History - YouTube

If Jake (the Snake) Roberts isn't in this video, it's not nearly complete.

[Tim C]

I am sure you all remember Oregon does not use FED mechanics. We use modifified CCA.

The illustrations of signals were produced by Referee Magazine.

T

[bigjohn]

Official NFHS Baseball Signals


That is what it says at the top of the chart, NO?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

Official NFHS Baseball Signals


That is what it says at the top of the chart, NO?

Please go back to misinterpreting the rulebook and incorrectly connecting rules that don't belong together on the football page.

[Tim C]

I am simply making a statement.

I don't have my official OSAA/OAOA umpire manual with me.

I don't know of any umpire in Oregon that uses the DDB signal.

T

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by GROUPthink

If Jake (the Snake) Roberts isn't in this video, it's not nearly complete.

Interesting note about Jake. His mother was also his sister. She was a victim of incense by her father.

[Steven Tyler]

Since FED is not the end all be all of umpire mechanics, and no state is required to use the FED mechanics, or adopt every rule, I fail to see what all the whining is about.

And some you call coaches rats. Some of you could use a little cheese yourself with your "whine".