The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Baseball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack (1) Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1 (permalink)  
Old Tue Sep 20, 2011, 12:33am
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lakeside, California
Posts: 6,724
Quote:
Originally Posted by realistic View Post
Bart Giamatti was a good man.
Lots of good men have been homophobic and homosexual. What's the point?

Quote:
Originally Posted by realistic View Post
It's no different than saying you are a homophobe, SDS. Would you like someone saying that about you?
I've been called worse. I certainly wouldn't sue somebody over it.

You could have said, "Hey Mike, you might want to be careful saying that without proof, there could be legal repercussions." Instead, you lashed out and wished him financial harm and legal troubles in a venomous fashion. That sucks, buddy.
__________________
Matthew 15:14, 1 Corinthians 1:23-25
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Tue Sep 20, 2011, 08:19am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Katy, Texas
Posts: 8,033
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandiegosteve View Post
lots of good men have been homophobic and homosexual. What's the point?

You could have said, "hey mike, you might want to be careful saying that without proof, there could be legal repercussions." instead, you lashed out and wished him financial harm and legal troubles in a venomous fashion. That sucks, buddy.
+1
__________________
I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, 'I drank what?'”

West Houston Mike
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Tue Sep 20, 2011, 11:21pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NY state
Posts: 1,504
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve View Post
Lots of good men have been homophobic and homosexual. What's the point?

I've been called worse. I certainly wouldn't sue somebody over it.

You could have said, "Hey Mike, you might want to be careful saying that without proof, there could be legal repercussions." Instead, you lashed out and wished him financial harm and legal troubles in a venomous fashion. That sucks, buddy.
SDS:

I am well acquainted with the Giamatti family and have been for many years. If someone made the accusation or inference that Bart was homophobic, they are seriously mistaken.

There were several issues surrounding Pallone's resignation/termination. (Yes, he did submit a resignation, and yes, he did receive a letter of termination.)

Unfortunately most accounts are biased in one direction or another and Bart is not here to defend himself, not that he would have bothered addressing idiots on the internet.

Last edited by MrUmpire; Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 12:08am.
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 21, 2011, 02:22am
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lakeside, California
Posts: 6,724
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrUmpire View Post
SDS:

I am well acquainted with the Giamatti family and have been for many years. If someone made the accusation or inference that Bart was homophobic, they are seriously mistaken.

There were several issues surrounding Pallone's resignation/termination. (Yes, he did submit a resignation, and yes, he did receive a letter of termination.)

Unfortunately most accounts are biased in one direction or another and Bart is not here to defend himself, not that he would have bothered addressing idiots on the internet.
The point was how the poster in question tore into someone for their opinion. My beef was not with Mr. Giamatti, or whether he was or was not. I couldn't care less either way. It was with the way the poster lashed out, which I found unnecessary and over the top.
__________________
Matthew 15:14, 1 Corinthians 1:23-25
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 21, 2011, 08:29am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Northwest suburbs of Chicago
Posts: 645
Our New York based troll simply proves his last sentence correct - he is biased. By alleging that you know the family, you prove the point. Thank you.

A number of good books have been written about Major League umpiring woes. I noted one that tells specifically of Pallone's firing. There are many others, including one by an esteemed SI writer - they all state the same thing; Pallone was fired for being homosexual. It is important to note that I did not mention Pallone's own book as evidence of opinion. As others have stated, he was among the best the year he was fired. It seems ironic that on the day that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was repealed that anyone would suggest otherwise. I guess that we'll now here that he is long time friends with Joe Cronin's family too and that Salerno and Valentine weren't fired by a union buster. The clock is ticking.
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 21, 2011, 08:31am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Northwest suburbs of Chicago
Posts: 645
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve View Post
The point was how the poster in question tore into someone for their opinion. My beef was not with Mr. Giamatti, or whether he was or was not. I couldn't care less either way. It was with the way the poster lashed out, which I found unnecessary and over the top.
Thank you. Anonymity provides safety and it is easy to throw stones over a fence.
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 21, 2011, 11:26am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Katy, Texas
Posts: 8,033
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve View Post
The point was how the poster in question tore into someone for their opinion. My beef was not with Mr. Giamatti, or whether he was or was not. I couldn't care less either way. It was with the way the poster lashed out, which I found unnecessary and over the top.
For the record, so did I.
__________________
I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, 'I drank what?'”

West Houston Mike
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 21, 2011, 07:06pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NY state
Posts: 1,504
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve View Post
The point was how the poster in question tore into someone for their opinion. My beef was not with Mr. Giamatti, or whether he was or was not. I couldn't care less either way. It was with the way the poster lashed out, which I found unnecessary and over the top.
I had not read the original post the led to the response. I saw only that apparently someone inferred or accused Giamatti of being a homophobe. That's a serious accusation these days and one that intelligent people do not make casually.

While I do not agree 100% with the response you refer to, I can understand it.
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 21, 2011, 08:31pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 74
I see my statement ruffled some feathers. Mr. Strybel, when making accusations in an internet forum, imo, I would be extremely careful how I would word what I would say. The content of your accusation could be considered libelous. I understand the law and would have not made the statement if I didn't think it could be considered as such.

I'm not sure if you are aware of who the late commish was the father of. For those of you who are not aware, the late commish's son is Paul Giamatti. If I was Paul Giamatti and was looking to make sure my name isn't used for things that it shouldn't be, I would have my family name googled from time to time to make sure that no one is illegally benefitting from the use of my name. Now if a search came up that showed that someone may have libeled my dear deceased father and they used their name and I could track that name down, I might have to cause that person to have a very bad day. You see, libel wouldn't have to be proven because I have attorney's that work for me and I have plenty of money to pay them. The person that should have stated that it was there opinion that Giamatti was a homophobe, may not have such deep pockets.

In a nutshell, that's the reason I said what I said. Don't go posting crap you can't prove or hasn't been proven by anyone else.

Years ago, Giamatti did some things that helped me and other umpires put a little more green in our wallets. I'm not taking up for him but I hate to see people spout off about things they have no idea about. You may have read that someone said something but you didn't write it.
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 21, 2011, 11:09pm
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Lakeside, California
Posts: 6,724
You still didn't need to say it the way you did. I offered an alternative. You don't seem to get the point. Only the way you said what you said did I have a problem with.

I think it is stupid to call someone a name as if it were a fact (or even if it is a fact), but I also don't like wishing bad things or ill will upon people. There is enough of that in our everyday lives away from this forum. It's really not good karma, just like calling someone names isn't. I have been guilty of this kind of lashing out at people on this forum in the past, insulting them or getting in silly arguments with people I don't even know personally, or understand what their position is, or maybe what they are going through at the time. I regret having done this, and it looks very ugly when looking at it in print.

I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to people that I have insulted or belittled on this board in the past, and to Bob Jenkins for giving him carpal tunnel from all the deleting and editing he has had to do with my posts.
__________________
Matthew 15:14, 1 Corinthians 1:23-25

Last edited by SanDiegoSteve; Wed Sep 21, 2011 at 11:13pm.
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 21, 2011, 11:16pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NY state
Posts: 1,504
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve View Post

I think it is stupid to call someone a name as if it were a fact (or even if it is a fact), but I also don't like wishing bad things or ill will upon people.
Reminds me of a quote from my literary hero:

"I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Mark Twain
Closed Thread

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: https://forum.officiating.com/baseball/80585-demoting-mlb-umpires.html
Posted By For Type Date
What happens to umpires who make blown calls? - TalkBass Forums This thread Refback Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:04pm

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Umpires complaining about other umpires tcannizzo Softball 14 Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:00am
UMPIRES JMN Football 3 Wed Feb 26, 2003 02:59pm
Enough Umpires kellerumps Softball 9 Fri Dec 06, 2002 05:36pm
umpires kman Baseball 5 Fri Jul 12, 2002 07:49pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:58am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1