Joe West ejects Davey Johnson

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I hear you, Jeff. But I agree with Kyle (with the caveat that I don't know exactly what was said), that JW did appear to be overstepping by running this guy from such a distance. I thought the PU should have given him the heave-ho.

Tim.

If I'm the PU and a manager/coach directs a gesture at one of my more experienced partners like this and I try to step in and take care of business, I would probably be seen as stepping on his toes and trying to handle his business for him. The manager directed his gesture at Joe, so Joe dumped him.

There are a few things that West does that aren't advisable at any other level, but he gets a bad rap overall. He handled this just fine.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by zm1283

If I'm the PU and a manager/coach directs a gesture at one of my more experienced partners like this and I try to step in and take care of business, I would probably be seen as stepping on his toes and trying to handle his business for him. The manager directed his gesture at Joe, so Joe dumped him.

There are a few things that West does that aren't advisable at any other level, but he gets a bad rap overall. He handled this just fine.

I guess I don't see grabbing his ear and pointing toward the dugout to imply that he could hear the HBP from there reason enough to eject a manager at the MLB level.

Tim.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

I guess I don't see grabbing his ear and pointing toward the dugout to imply that he could hear the HBP from there reason enough to eject a manager at the MLB level.

Are you going on something other than the two linked videos? Both of those videos have obviously had portions cut out, so we can't tell from them exactly what the manager did to get run.

[BigUmp56]

Originally Posted by celebur

Are you going on something other than the two linked videos? Both of those videos have obviously had portions cut out, so we can't tell from them exactly what the manager did to get run.

My opinion is based on what's shown here in this thread. I thought I had mentioned earlier in the thread that there was a caveat to my opinion, which is the lack of knowledge of exactly what was said.

Tim.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by BigUmp56

My opinion is based on what's shown here in this thread. I thought I had mentioned earlier in the thread that there was a caveat to my opinion, which is the lack of knowledge of exactly what was said.

Tim.

Yes, you mentioned a caveat about not knowing exactly what was said, but my point is that both videos have cuts, so we don't even know exactly what happened. That means we can't really determine why West ejected Johnson. We weren't shown everything. If there is an uncut video, we might get more.