2 little league rule questions

[jicecone]

In HS a glove and a mitt for the field are the same. OBR, its different. Don't remember NCAA and guessing that LL is based upon OBR with twists. Glove and mitt are probably different. No books with me.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jicecone

In HS a glove and a mitt for the field are the same. OBR, its different. Don't remember NCAA and guessing that LL is based upon OBR with twists. Glove and mitt are probably different. No books with me.

Book sitting in front of me. No definition other than the specs mentioned above. No "official" difference that I can find other than both words are used in 1 rule, and just 1 word in the other... but no verbiage defining what makes one thing a glove and another a mitt.

[ozzy6900]

OBR has always been understood that there is a difference between a mitt and a glove. The main difference between gloves and mitts is that gloves have fingers and mitts don't. Mitts tend to do a better job of controlling balls that don't hit in the pocket and can aid scooping ground balls and short hops. 1st base and catcher are the only positions which use mitts.

OBR does not allow mitts at any positions other than F2 & F3 - FED allows players to pretty much wear what they want (F6 with a catcher's mitt?).

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

OBR has always been understood that there is a difference between a mitt and a glove. The main difference between gloves and mitts is that gloves have fingers and mitts don't. Mitts tend to do a better job of controlling balls that don't hit in the pocket and can aid scooping ground balls and short hops. 1st base and catcher are the only positions which use mitts.

OBR does not allow mitts at any positions other than F2 & F3 - FED allows players to pretty much wear what they want (F6 with a catcher's mitt?).

Winner, winner, etc.

[smbbcoach99]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Book sitting in front of me. No definition other than the specs mentioned above. No "official" difference that I can find other than both words are used in 1 rule, and just 1 word in the other... but no verbiage defining what makes one thing a glove and another a mitt.

So, Then do I take this to LL or umpire in chief of the tourney? I could not find anything either.

Thanks

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by smbbcoach99

So, Then do I take this to LL or umpire in chief of the tourney? I could not find anything either.

Thanks

You might try posting this on eteamz -- if it still exists. Lots of umpires well versed in LL rules there.

[ToolinFool]

This is what the Little League Umpires Manual says. Hope that it helps.

1.13 -- The first baseman may wear a glove or mitt not more than 12 inches long from top to bottom and
not more than eight inches wide across the palm, measured from the base of the thumb crotch to the outer edge
of the mitt. The glove may be of any weight.

1.14 -- Each fielder, other than the first baseman and the catcher, may wear a glove not more than 12 inches
long nor more than 7-3/4 inches wide , measured from the base of the thumb crotch to the
outer edge of the glove. The glove may be of any weight.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENTS:
⇒ In Baseball, only the first baseman may wear a first baseman’s mitt.
⇒ In Softball, the first baseman and the catcher may wear a first baseman’s mitt.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by ToolinFool

This is what the Little League Umpires Manual says. Hope that it helps.

1.13 -- The first baseman may wear a glove or mitt not more than 12 inches long from top to bottom and
not more than eight inches wide across the palm, measured from the base of the thumb crotch to the outer edge
of the mitt. The glove may be of any weight.

1.14 -- Each fielder, other than the first baseman and the catcher, may wear a glove not more than 12 inches
long nor more than 7-3/4 inches wide , measured from the base of the thumb crotch to the
outer edge of the glove. The glove may be of any weight.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENTS:
⇒ In Baseball, only the first baseman may wear a first baseman’s mitt.
⇒ In Softball, the first baseman and the catcher may wear a first baseman’s mitt.

Been awhile since I did LL but, this is what I remember about it also. Of course trying to find LL rules online is next to impossible because of LL Inc.'s sacred cash cow mentality. That for sure, has never changed

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by jicecone

Been awhile since I did LL but, this is what I remember about it also. Of course trying to find LL rules online is next to impossible because of LL Inc.'s sacred cash cow mentality. That for sure, has never changed

You can buy one from the LL on line.

Theyt can't be much of a cash cow - they get provided as part of the "per team" charter fee of $16 or so.

[smbbcoach99]

Originally Posted by ToolinFool

This is what the Little League Umpires Manual says. Hope that it helps.

1.13 -- The first baseman may wear a glove or mitt not more than 12 inches long from top to bottom and
not more than eight inches wide across the palm, measured from the base of the thumb crotch to the outer edge
of the mitt. The glove may be of any weight.

1.14 -- Each fielder, other than the first baseman and the catcher, may wear a glove not more than 12 inches
long nor more than 7-3/4 inches wide , measured from the base of the thumb crotch to the
outer edge of the glove. The glove may be of any weight.

INSTRUCTOR COMMENTS:
⇒ In Baseball, only the first baseman may wear a first baseman’s mitt.
⇒ In Softball, the first baseman and the catcher may wear a first baseman’s mitt.

The "glove" our first baseman uses meets the specified measurments for a fielder. How is that viewed?

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by smbbcoach99

The "glove" our first baseman uses meets the specified measurments for a fielder. How is that viewed?

It is viewed as a legal glove. F3 can wear any glove or mitt as long as it doesn't exceed the specificed measurements.

Fielders other than F2 or F3 can wear any glove as long as it doesn't exceed the specificed measurements. F1's glove is also restricted to no white or gray.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You might try posting this on eteamz -- if it still exists. Lots of umpires well versed in LL rules there.

Or the Little League Facebook page. Apparently, you can get answers straight from the sources there.

[PeteBooth]

BOB there is no more eteamz. It is now called Active.com

Most of the LL regulars that were at eteamz have gone elsewhere. I believe the LL facebook page.

Pete Booth

[Larry1953]

Is there really any advantage to be gained in Little League by having a first baseman play with a mitt as opposed to a glove? Most kids don't (or shouldn't) just play one position at that level and a well-broken in glove that you know better than your best friend seems to be the most important thing about catching a ball.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Larry1953

Is there really any advantage to be gained in Little League by having a first baseman play with a mitt as opposed to a glove? Most kids don't (or shouldn't) just play one position at that level and a well-broken in glove that you know better than your best friend seems to be the most important thing about catching a ball.

Dude, didn't you play Little League? Every first baseman has a mitt. I had a fielder's glove for the rare times I played other positions (like the pitching fiasco ), but I had a first baseman's mitt from LL MInors all the way up. And this was back in the 60's! My dad oiled it up, I put a ball in it, tied it up with a shoelace, put it in a pillow case, and had my mom run it over with the car a few times to break it in! Little League was, and still is, serious business. Nowadays, kids have designer everything....batting gloves, primo bats, gloves and mitts, and all sorts of gear.

Aside from it just being cool to have a first baseman's mitt, the big advantage it gives you is that you can scoop errant throws in the dirt much easier than with a fielder's glove, and it also gives a really great big target for the infielders. The first baseman can save his infield many errors by being skilled at the position.