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Old Sat Jun 25, 2011, 01:14pm
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WSH - CWS Estabrook reversed...

Baseball Video Highlights & Clips | [email protected]: Bixler scores go-ahead run on error - Video | MLB.com: Multimedia

Nelson at home, Estabrook at first.

Warning: ignore the announcers...

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Old Sat Jun 25, 2011, 05:11pm
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Why need a warning? Does anyone here EVER pay attention to the announcers?

The question is: how do you suspend an interim manager? Sure looks like he made contact with the 1B umpire...
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Old Sat Jun 25, 2011, 05:28pm
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Manager did say in the post game he made contact with the brim on the hat with his hand. Also said he was wrong to do it and didn't mean to.

A bench coach who got a little excited at his one night with the cards...
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Old Sat Jun 25, 2011, 08:48pm
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Tough one to re4verse, unless the HP umpire had a better look than we did on video. Reality is someone is going to go on that play, offensive mgr if not reversed, and defensive manager when it was reversed.

I have a hard time reversing that call in reality. Make you call and stick with it. But that's not MLB in 2011.
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Old Sat Jun 25, 2011, 11:55pm
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I'm just curious as to why the 1B umpire was so way out of position on this play. I watched the game on the Comcast late night replay and when this play occurred, I was surprised to see U1 so out of position on this, which is why he couldn't and didn't see the tag/no tag properly.
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Old Sun Jun 26, 2011, 12:09am
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I'm just curious as to why the 1B umpire was so way out of position on this play. I watched the game on the Comcast late night replay and when this play occurred, I was surprised to see U1 so out of position on this, which is why he couldn't and didn't see the tag/no tag properly.
How was he out of position?
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Old Sun Jun 26, 2011, 12:11am
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Haven't you seen the play? When F3 came off the bag and had to reach back to make a swipe tag, Estabrook should have gone toward the line to view the tag attempt straight on (this is akin to a plate umpire being along the 3rd base line extended on a similar tag attempt situation). There is NO way an umpire standing where he was standing is going to be able to see a swipe tag like the one in this play.
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Old Sun Jun 26, 2011, 12:18am
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Haven't you seen the play? When F3 came off the bag and had to reach back to make a swipe tag, Estabrook should have gone toward the line to view the tag attempt straight on (this is akin to a plate umpire being along the 3rd base line extended on a similar tag attempt situation). There is NO way an umpire standing where he was standing is going to be able to see a swipe tag like the one in this play.
No U1 should have went right where he did.. and if you look he did go toward the line, you have to get your self a angle on these plays.. Estabrook did a good job of adjusting to the play.
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Old Sun Jun 26, 2011, 12:20am
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Hardly. He was in poor positioning and didn't see the play at all (he was waaayyyy angled out from the play), which is why he ruled it a tag for an out.

The lengths at which people on this forum go to defend guys who err never ceases to amaze me.
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Old Sun Jun 26, 2011, 01:37am
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Hardly. He was in poor positioning and didn't see the play at all (he was waaayyyy angled out from the play), which is why he ruled it a tag for an out.

The lengths at which people on this forum go to defend guys who err never ceases to amaze me.

Are differences of opinion not allowed?

Perhaps then we should all just wait for you to post the Gospel and simply post +1
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Old Sun Jun 26, 2011, 01:56am
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Now THERE'S an idea!
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Old Sun Jun 26, 2011, 09:20am
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Hardly. He was in poor positioning and didn't see the play at all (he was waaayyyy angled out from the play), which is why he ruled it a tag for an out.

The lengths at which people on this forum go to defend guys who err never ceases to amaze me.
I have seen so many umpires moving to an angle significantly less than 90 that I'm thinking there must be a new mechanic coming up from PBUC. They move way off the line toward 2B and look back at F3 and the base.
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Bite me. Sounds like a disgruntled Flubs fan.
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Old Sun Jun 26, 2011, 10:52am
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I have seen so many umpires moving to an angle significantly less than 90 that I'm thinking there must be a new mechanic coming up from PBUC. They move way off the line toward 2B and look back at F3 and the base.
One of the umpires in our association is current assigned to the minor leagues. I've got a message into him to see what PBUC's recommended mechanic on this is since you brought it up.
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